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I remember when I was growing up, tech industry has so many people that were admirable, and you wanted to aspire to be in life. Bill Gates, founders of Google Larry Page, Sergey brin, Steve Jobs (wasn't perfect but on a surface level, he was still at least a pretty decent guy), basically everyone involved in gaming from Xbox to PlayStation and so on, Tom from MySpace... So many admirable people who were actually really great....

Now, people are just trash. Look at Mark Zuckerberg who leads Facebook. Dude is a lizard man, anytime you think he has shown some character growth he does something truly horrible and illegal that he should be thrown in prison for. For example, he's been buying up properties in Hawaii and basically stealing them from the locals. He's basically committing human rights violations by violating the culture of Hawaiian natives and their land deeds that are passed down from generation to generation. He has been systematically stealing them and building a wall on Hawaii, basically a f*cking colonizer. That's what the guy is. I thought he was a good upstanding person until I learned all these things about him

Current CEO of Google is peak dirtbag. Dude has no interest in the company or it's success at all, his only concern is patting his pockets while he is there as CEO, and appeasing the shareholders. He has zero interest in helping or making anyone's life pleasant at the company. Truly a dirtbag in every way.

Current CEO of Home Depot, which I now consider a tech company because they have moved out of retail and into the online space and they are rapidly restructuring their entire business around online sales, that dude is a total piece of work conservative racist. I remember working for this company, This dude's entire focus is eliminating as many people as feasibly possible from working in the store, making their life living heck, does not see people as human beings at all. Just wants to eliminate anyone and everyone they possibly can, think they are a slave labor force

Elon musk, we all know about him, don't need to really say much. Every time you think he's doing something good for society, he proves you wrong And does the worst thing he can possibly do in that situation. It's like he's specifically trying to make the world the worst place possible everyday

Like, damn. What the heck happened to the world? You know? I thought the tech industry was supposed to be filled with these brilliant genius people who are really good for the world...

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 197 points 2 months ago

I remember when I was growing up, tech industry has so many people that were admirable

Perhaps you were too young to understand who these people were:

  • Bill Gates dominated the PC world with aggressive business tactics and vendor lock in.
  • Larry Ellison bought up his competitors and jack up prices on databsae products owning the industry for more than a decade.
  • Steve Jobs lied and cheated his investors, his family, and his closest friends to benefit himself.

Tom was a good guy, but possibly because he took his fortune and left tech. There were very few admirable leaders.

[-] kfchan@fedia.io 97 points 2 months ago

Steve Jobs decided to kill himself by being an idiot.

So...there was a redemption arc there.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 40 points 2 months ago

I'm not a fan of ~~Hitler~~ Steve Jobs, but I am a big fan of the guy who killed ~~Hitler~~ Steve Jobs.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes but Steve Jobs also bought himself a pointless liver transplant that someone else didn't get. One he would have never needed if he had listened to doctors instead of trying to treat a very treatable kind of cancer with a diet. So while he did the world a favor, he also took someone with him on the way out.

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[-] DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world 107 points 2 months ago

Capitalism rewards psychopathy

[-] random_character_a@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Complete explanation in three words. Well done.

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[-] JackDark@lemmy.world 102 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

when I was growing up

This is really the key. We're all stupid and unaware of how things work and the particular goings-ons when we're kids. There were plenty of shitty people running the tech giant companies back then, but we just didn't realize the extent of what was happening.

Edit: The evolution of social media also adds a lot to this. We are both more connected to each other and society, and therefore more aware of BS think it's pulled by corporations. Then, of course, you have folks like Elon Musk who seem to make a point of making sure everyone knows how big of a piece of shit they are, and how proud of it they are.

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Yeah we're baffled about how kids get sucked into worshipping Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos, but I remember a brief time in my life when I thought Steve Jobs was the greatest and that he singlehandedly invented the iPhone with a rusty pair of pliers and gumption.

[-] exanime@lemmy.world 98 points 2 months ago

They were all evil shit back then... You were just innocent and information didn't travel as fast

Also, Jobs "pretty decent"? That asshole was Narciso reborn

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 months ago

Might I ride your coat tails, and recommend Behind the Bastards episodes on Bill Gates and Steve Jobs? Who for the record are both absolute monsters. Not like....Hitler bad, but still pretty shockingly bad....

Behind the Bastards Part One: The Ballad of Bill Gates
Behind the Bastards Part Two: The Ballad of Bill Gates
Behind the Bastards Part One: The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs
Behind the Bastards Part Two: The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs
Behind the Bastards Part Three: The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs
Behind the Bastards Part Four: The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs

Please note: Steve Jobs was bad enough to earn a 4 part series.

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[-] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 79 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Gates was always a dirtbag.

He is one of the main reasons proprietary software is so prevalent and predatory nowadays.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 2 months ago

bill gates was like, one of the worst of the worst. Dude literally broke the law, and then settled to avoid paying for acquiring fees.

They have never been good.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 23 points 2 months ago

Convicted monopolist. Slimy and dishonest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRelVFm7iJE

His direct influence is in numerous places in the Horrorween Documents.

Screw that guy.

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago

sociopaths have a pretty big advantage in capitalist leadership positions over non-sociopaths. they are more likely to get there in the first place, and they will perform better.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In all leadership positions, period. Capitalist or communist. Democratic or autocratic. Does not matter, those that are not held back by their morals have an advantage.

[-] Crow_Thief@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

In communist societies, many people who rise to power are evil, because theyre seeking their own power primarily. In capitalism, anybody who is not actively evil enough gets thrown under the bus because theyre getting in the way of profits. Communism allows it, capitalism requires it.

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[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Bill Gates was an evil piece of shit, that did many illegal things to secure Microsoft's software empire.

It was much easier to "hide" sit back then unless you were in the know in the industry.

That said I think because tech was such a young industry and innovating so quickly. Many geeks got a chance to run companies that took off. Nowadays it's Like every other industry with sociopaths in charge.

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[-] Tire@lemmy.ml 46 points 2 months ago

Normal well adjusted people get a few million dollars and call it a day. Only people with a mental problem get billions and keep trying to get more.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago

I remember when I was growing up,

You remember propaganda (when corporations do it, it's called "Public Relations").

That's what you remember. Now, thanks to the internet democratizign information somewhat, they don't just get to feed us their "public relations" anymore. Now people can counter that shit, and people see them for what they really are - parasites.

It's capitalism, baby. Welcome to the real world.

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[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 45 points 2 months ago

Bill Gates admirable? Did we grow up in the 90s in the same dimension? Him and Windows were the butt of almost every IT joke, and there was his whole thing of never doing anything original or innovative except gobbling up companies and tech who were. Then the court battles. Those were a pretty big thing, even as a teen I followed the progress of it on the news. Then holding the whole web back for almost a decade as we had to deal with the monopoly of IE.

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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 44 points 2 months ago

Greed. A sane person will walk away from working once they have enough saved to comfortably retire.

$100 million can let you live comfortably forever, but there are plenty of people who want that much every year.

Those are the folks who become 'leaders.'

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[-] elrik@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

I remember when I was growing up

You can basically stop right there. You were young and naive, viewing the world through the rose colored glasses of youth.

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[-] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 39 points 2 months ago

You listed a bunch of people who were "good", but honestly, none of them were. You just weren't necessarily aware of how Bill Gates treated anyone who had anything he wanted, or what Steve Jobs did to his daughter.

Honestly, the lesson here is All CEOs Are Bad, it's just that some are only moderate psychopaths instead of ones that skin cats and then stuff them into mailboxes.

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[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

You don't get to be a billionaire and a decent person. Choose 1.

[-] oldfart@lemm.ee 37 points 2 months ago

When did you grow up that Gates has not been evil yet? All of the 90s was marked by Microsoft making home computing worse to create a monopoly. Fucking emails formatted in a way that's unreadable outside Windows, closed .doc format that became a de facto standard in offices and likely many other things I don't remember

[-] c10l@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

FUD wars on Free and Open Source Software, shady deals with companies and governments to make them dependent on MS software and solutions, holding the web hostage to IE “standards”, …

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 37 points 2 months ago

"I thought the tech industry was supposed to be filled with these brilliant genius people who are really good for the world…"

They are but as usual it's the WORKERS who are the good brilliant people, not the ownership class and 3 letter executive dirt bags. They're the same in EVERY industry. Owner/CEO ONLY cares about profit profit profit, fuck everyone and everything else.

Workers, they're a mixed bag as there are so many different people, but in the tech space they're generally intelligent "good" people.

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[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

You haven't named a decent person in your post.

The Google founders are simply more secretive in their lifestyles compared to Musk. They dropped the "Don't Be Evil" motto a long time ago.

[-] SoJB@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 months ago

Bill Gates, a decent person? LMAO is OP literally a kid or something.

Americans are the most propagandized people in the world and simultaneously genuinely believe they are not propagandized, it’s incredible.

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[-] psion1369@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

These people have always been bad. Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, Ford, all of them had their issues. The big difference between then and now is the information we have access to. These leaders are more or less forced to live a very public life. We can find all sorts of articles and investigative journalism reports about Elon actually having family money. And when you are rich enough to control the few newspapers, the stories are going to put you in a very good light.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

It's not just tech, but leadership positions in general.

Short answer is that the traits you need to climb the ladder have significant overlap with the traits of legit psychopathy.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mind-of-the-manager/201304/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership

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[-] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

Their job is to maximize shareholder profit. That is their only and one true job as CEOs. If you want a CEO that is not evil, look for companies that are not public even though they could be.

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 months ago

This phenomenon is not limited to tech company leaders.

It's a common problem with all large corporations leadership, and gets increasingly worse the larger that corporation becomes.

[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 months ago

Evil people are less constrained by morality and more capable of doing what is necessary to climb hierarchies. This can happen in any organización, not just business.

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[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't know much about the other guys you named, but close friend of Jeffry Epstein, Bill Gates is a demon with good PR. A lot of his outreach consists of privatizing schools in Africa and America, testing vaccines on tribal girls in India without consent, and demanding Oxford sell their covid vaccine instead of releasing it free..

But if you google anything about Bill Gates medical activities, they get drowned out by puff pieces and fact checks about microchips in vaccines instead of the.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 months ago

You cant get that kind of money without being piece of shit humanbeing. You need to constantly look out for opportunities to exploit others and how could you even do that if you have any shred of empathy or decency. Not sure if they were like this from the beginning or if they became like this when they got enough money or if its influence from their family, but we will all suffer under their rule.

[-] aaaaace 22 points 2 months ago

You can look back to Lee Iacocca. The Ford Pintos caught on fire because he sat back at his desk and laughed at the engineers who wanted to add a safety bar back there, the car had to be 2000 dollars no matter what.

Then he was at Chrysler and pioneered the idea that CEOs could set their own bonuses. At the time it was a shocking idea, called unethical.

Now the personal tech world comes along....

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[-] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Steve Jobs (wasn't perfect but on a surface level, he was still at least a pretty decent guy),

Very very incorrect. He was a complete garbage pail of a human being from the very beginning.

Behind the Bastards: Part One: The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs https://omny.fm/shows/behind-the-bastards/part-one-the-terrible-secret-of-steve-jobs

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[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago

Narcicistic sociopaths are the best profile to boost profit. Even some of the "good guys" you listed as founders were some trashy pricks.

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Tech is just the most visible industry right now. Look at any other major corporations and you'll find the same.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 18 points 2 months ago

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago

At its very core, capitalism breeds greed.

[-] spector@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nothing happened. It was always like this. Geeks got unduly put on a pedestal. They got a reputation that was never earned. They're not any different than your typical psychopath executive.

I grew up in a town where a lot of these types of guys have become multimillionaires since 2010s tech boom. One person manages some hundreds of millions of dollars AI investment portfolio. That was before the GPT explosion. I have no idea how big they are now but I wouldn't be surprised if it's billions.

Growing up they were almost all psychopathic. Lying, cheating, backstabbing type of people. Nothing like the timid altruistic geek that pop culture proliferates. The more normal people did not go into tech. The actual timid types have had modest middle class careers in tech.

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[-] Summzashi@lemmy.one 18 points 2 months ago

You're out of your mind if you thought bill gates was someone to look up to.

[-] lightyagami@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Mate, that's the curse of capitalism. Yeah the living standards have improved and all, but the balance of scale tips so much towards the evil doings of these executives and the guys at the top that it doesn't matter how much my living standard increases.

Tech or not, they've always been like this.

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[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 17 points 2 months ago

I'd blame capitalism. And corporations prefering short term growth and attracting investors. And the whole modern business model of exploiting users private data to sell advertisements. That's how the whole internet works these days and thak makes being evil baked into every successful company.

And btw: Zuck did one good thing. He personally gave us competetive AI models to tinker around with. If it weren't for people like him, we would have AI dominate us without the average person having access to more than the online services like ChatGPT. Yeah but that doesn't take away from the things you lined out.

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