510
submitted 1 month ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world
  • Ukraine downed a Russian Su-34 fighter jet over Kursk amid an ongoing territorial push.
  • The Su-34, worth around $36 million, is Russia's most efficient fighter bomber with advanced tech.
  • Ukraine has previously held long kill streaks with Russian Su-34s.
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 104 points 1 month ago

There is no way for Russia to rebuild all this Soviet stock and the war aint even over. How are they planning on securing their borders after the war when every country in the west hates them and China will make a play for Siberia and Far East by 2100.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 57 points 1 month ago

You sure 2100?

If I was China I'd make a play for it by the end of the year, fuck Taiwan when you could snag all that free real-estate and precious metals Russia should have been mining instead of losing their ass in a war.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 month ago

Why would China need to invade Russia when they can just buy the resources? Russia would certainly like something to cover the huge trade imbalance.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 month ago

not only chinese can buy resources from russians, they can do so on wildly favourable terms. they can have all that oil and iron ore and whatever without the trouble of actually occupying siberia

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 1 month ago

it is good living space... but i digress...

China has no emotional investment in the territory so it would not undermine itself trying to capture it like Russia is doing now.

However, at this rate Russia will be very weak in the future and at point China will cross over and colonize the area which is very sparsely populated by about half of the people who really don't give a fuck about being "Russian"

It will be on of them... do you cry when you step on the thing and our grandkids won't blink.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

living space

6% of chinese people live in 57% of China, living space isn't an issue at that scale.

When none of your predictions come true this time, will you do some self-reflection? Did you do any self-reflection about how you'd been convinced that hostile action against Iraq was justified? Afghanistan? Libya? The ongoing occupation of Syria? How previous and upcoming action against Iran?

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago

Do you mean 94% of Chinese people are concentrated into 43% of the space?

I mean, that just says that the distribution of people across the land is uneven. It all depends on why. Is that land inhabitable? Is it mountains or desert?

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 50 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There were some talking heads some months ago saying that the Ukraine war would determine if China expands into Taiwan militarily or russia economically. No need for weapons in the second case.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 18 points 1 month ago

I still don't really see China attacking Taiwan as a particularly likely since it would involve tangling with the US, which may not come to anything but is an unknown factor.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 month ago

China won't militarily invade Taiwan until they have their own semiconductor foundry that rivals TSMC

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

China has done pretty well expanding economically and mostly staying out of warmongering. I really hope that continues, but switching to a more militaristic approach with their recent military expansion would be bad for us all …. Probably including them

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

So they'd become a kind of vassal state?

I could totally see that, especially if something happens to Putin.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What I saw was that North China is DRY. They need tons of water. And russia has lake Baikal nearby. These kinds of Nestlé-style tricks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlUJwbL7SM8

Imagine all the anger russians feel towards the US for not being able to magically fix their country in the 90s but now turned towards their growing and grabby neighbour.

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Wait, did Russians really believe the U.S. was supposed to fix it after the collapse of the USSR?

That's not how government works what the hell is wrong with people over there

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm exaggerating for the sake of argument, but I've seen tankies and russians on youtube make this argument unironically to justify why russia had the right to do whatever it wanted to recover its empire and that they had a right to revenge for the "decade of humiliation" and shock therapy.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For what it’s worth the west had a history of helping in these events, we did fuck all for them really when the Soviet Union broke apart.

It wasn’t our job, but it woulda gone a LONG fucking way to bettering relations.

I could see feeling bitter we didn’t help but to take it as far as blaming us for their woes is just classic “it’s their fault” mentality.

Look at Japan and Germany as examples of how it may have played out.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

China is expanding into both economically. That's been the strategy for the last 50 years.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I think Russia's plan was to enslave the Ukrainian people and force them to rebuild the russian military.

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

Ah, you mean Russia's perpetual solution until Ukraine won their independence.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago

They can't even make sufficient ball bearings to keep their railroad alive; they depended entirely on western imports lol

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 15 points 1 month ago

Solid propaganda but I am sure China can machine them some fucking ball bearings lol

There are shortages though.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

The bearings in trains are actually pretty complicated to build. They use slanted roller bearings, not just regular old ball bearings. 10 companies in the world make like 70% of all rail bearings, and 5 of those are in Japan. Plus, only a few countries produce the two steel alloys that you make these bearings out of.

China does produce around 20% of the bearings used in trains, but pretty much all of it gets used for domestic purposes and they still have to import due to their massive rail expansion projects

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 8 points 1 month ago

The ball bearings are made in Germany with a very specific level of precision that China can definitely replicate given how they rapidly caught up to the rest of the world in the past 30 years economically and technologically. (Hint was done primarily through corporate espionage and theft)

[-] 4lan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

fuck IP, knowledge belongs to the world not imaginary borders created by hairless apes.

honestly. the reason 3D printing didnt take off until 2012? IP We could have been making progress in this technology since the 90s. but no.... Imagine where we could be today if greed didnt keep that tech locked up for decades.

We have been stifling progress in the name of IP while China is starting to gain ground faster and faster.

I bought a chinese made phone, oneplus open, and it blew me away. US foldable phones are 2 years behind, despite being created by TRILLION dollar US companies. If the US is so afraid of competition maybe we should start competing!?

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Olap@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

100% this isn't a lost technology, it "just" needs some machines built

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

China will make a play for Siberia and Far East by 2100.

!RemindMe 2100 Did China do this?

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Heard they don't know how to build the Su-34 any longer (old forgotten Soviet stuff), only service and upgrade them.

Putin us really thinking with his ass now, they haven't lost the battle but they sure seems to have lost the war.

Ffs.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 6 points 1 month ago

I mean, they have nukes, actually invading them with intent to actually conquer them or permanently take significant parts of the country would be a risky move regardless of how depleted their stocks get.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 98 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sure is nice of Ukraine to start shooting them down closer to the pilots' homes, rather than making them travel all the way back from Ukrainian territory.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Plus the jet parts don't end up on the "wrong hands"🤯. putin needs to know this! Such a simple trick!

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 58 points 1 month ago

Ukraine is showing remarkable restraint by not razing the villages and not kidnapping Russian children. Slava Ukraini!

[-] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 141 points 1 month ago

It requires no restraint if you're not a monster.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Yeah was gonna say... Russia has abducted and moved native populations as part of their imperialism, for most of their history. Ukraine presumably doesn't want to take over Russia so they have no need for such inhumane tricks.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 17 points 1 month ago

They are liberating Russia

[-] Andonyx@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Right on, this isn't about Ukraine's restraint, it's about Russia's psychopathy.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 month ago

one of several reasons why looting is banned in all sensible armies is that looting slows advance

[-] timestatic@feddit.org 18 points 1 month ago

If you have a proper supply chain and logistics you don't need to rely on taking civilians stuff. The russian military and the members who loot the villages are just despicable

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 8 points 1 month ago

Ukrainian soldiers are leaving Google reviews on local shops as they travel through. I don't think they are looting, but they are definitely stopping for snacks.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

not only that, they're delivering humanitarian aid to civilians https://news.sky.com/video/ukrainian-military-have-been-delivering-humanitarian-aid-to-those-who-were-reportedly-abandoned-in-the-kursk-region-13197067

if i've seen this headline two weeks ago i'd think that i've gone crazy

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (9 replies)
[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

AIM-120Cs on F-16s, baby. Something to counter the R-77s and R-37s of the VVS.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago

Terms I recognize from your comment:

  • F-16
  • baby
[-] MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Business Insider - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)Information for Business Insider:

MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: Mostly Factual - United States of America
Wikipedia about this source

Search topics on Ground.Newshttps://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-shot-down-russia-su-34-jet-over-kursk-military-2024-8
Media Bias Fact Check | bot support

[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

They gotta be running out soon

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 14 Aug 2024
510 points (100.0% liked)

World News

38563 readers
2662 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS