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TOS was pretty goofy— ya know, when it wasn’t pure sci-fi horror. it was also gruesome and scary as shit sometimes! SNW does a good job of capturing the goofy tone specific to TOS, although Trek has always had a pretty goofy streak. You can easily find it in every series!
SNW does a good job of capturing the [...] tone specific to TOS
I think that's a point that a lot of people miss. SNW is much closer in tone to TOS than it is to the Berman era of Star Trek. 90s Trek was much more stiff and serious compared to TOS. And SNW brings back that lightheartedness and playfulness of the original Star Trek. Not just in its comedy episodes but in general.
“Bermaga”-era Trek, as I like to call it, had a lot of warmth, too, but it was certainly more serious. they really tried to formalize Trek much more, especially with the lore and the tech. It did come off as stiff a lot of the time, but it had its own goofy moments, too. It was certainly different in tone, though, especially DS9, which was pretty dark in its portrayal of Trek at the edges of and sometime outside of the Federation. The whole idea, though, was to portray a much more mature Federation and Starfleet, and I think they did a good job of that.
It’s also what PIC S1 and S2 missed— the human connections, the warmth, that were present in the Bermaga-era Trek shows. That, and the good writing, directing, and acting. The characters weren’t believable and Trek was presented as some action series set in a dystopian future that certainly seemed alien to Trek viewers. No wonder everyone hated it. It’s also why S3 was such a hit: it was a return to everything that made 90s-era Trek great: excelled, character-driven storylines with clever tech problems that everyone had to work together to fix using science and cleverness.
I love how SNW has hit its stride this season, has broken out of the DSC formula, and is hitting all the right notes (no pun intended).
From the various series in between:
- "MĂ©nage Ă Troi" (TNG S3E24)
- "A Fistful of Datas" (TNG S6E8)
- "The Magnificent Ferengi" (DS9 S6E10)
- "Take Me out to the Holosuite" (DS9 S7E4)
- "Bride Of Chaotica!" (VOY S5E12)
- "Babel One" (ENT S4E12)
Several I've omitted throughout, not counting the low hanging fruit of LD, but clearly Trek as a whole is steeped in plenty of silly episodes.
not a bad list. Bride of Chaotica! was about as hammy as mashy gets, as it was hilarious, mostly because of how serious Kate Mulgrew’s Janeway was. I love that episode!
My defeat is but a temporary setback!
"Babel One" is a comedy episode for you? Shran's girlfriend died in that one...
The banter with the tellarites vs Archer vs Shran does it for me. Also when Archer is practicing insults with Hoshi.
The wife and I are loving SNW. Particularly in relation to Discovery. I could have done without the singing in the latest but I can still appreciate what they're doing, I just don't like musicals. And you're right, the original series was often goofy as hell.
Guess those people aren't fans of Q episodes then.
Or the grand Nagus.
Or Lwaxana.
(Except for that one episode.)
I don't think I could be friends with someone who didn't like The Grand Nagus.
It would be inconcievable!
here’s the thing— I love the Grand Nagus, but I can’t stand Ferengi episodes. It’s… a conundrum.
Some people just hate fun.
These are not comedy episodes, this is a comedy series. With a PTSD episode shoved in the middle for some reason.
There have been three outright comedy episodes this season, out of ten.
I agree, I exaggerated out of frustration. The mood here, and the IMDB ratings, show that it's really a hit with the fans.
I quite like the show, but I find it jarring how the tone shifts so dramatically between episodes.
Maybe if the goofiness had been spread over 20+ episodes of a season, it wouldn't have felt that way. But 3/10 (out of 9, so far, I'm still hoping I can watch the last episode) just seems too high a ratio.
I quite like the show, but I find it jarring how the tone shifts so dramatically between episodes.
Welcome back to episodic story telling, you may not realize it but people leveled the same at TNG, VOY, and DS9, and when ENT tried to tighten things up with a more consistent tone people got bored and killed the franchise...
Maybe if the goofiness had been spread over 20+ episodes of a season, it wouldn’t have felt that way. But 3/10 (out of 9, so far, I’m still hoping I can watch the last episode) just seems too high a ratio.
We're looking at 5 out of 20 with season 1 and 2 combined 25% goof seems to be well within tolerable parameters. Pluss if this has been a 20 episode season as in the old days then like in the old days only half of them would be memorable and all the goofs would naturally be catagorized as memorable.
Complaining about season length as if it suddenly makes memorable episodes bad its just senseless whingeing.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Please elaborate.
See any Ferangi episode followed by Nog running a casino
Nog’s casino episode is far from a comedy.
This is my least favorite Star Trek episode of all time. It took me multiple sessions to get through it.
Worse than Profit and Lace?
Worse than The Way to Eden?
Tbf, Rom was great in that one
Leeta's face when she's watching Rom walk in heels and it awakens something in her is pretty good, too.
I’d have to lookup what that one was about, but I am inclined to say, yes.
More worse than Spock's Brain?
Oh yeah, for sure! I was excited when Spock’s brain came up as I’ve always heard people say it was the worst episode. But i didn’t think it was that bad.
Worse than Sub Rosa or Threshold?
100% worse, threshold was at least a little silly.
Brain and brain! What is brain‽
Well I've finally got around to watching it. It's definitely not good, but it's nowhere near the worst Trek I've seen. The major issue I have with it is the actors for the most part just aren't good enough singers.
Profit and Lace was hilarious. You take the back!
Thanks, that kind of what I expected it to be. I don’t remember that being too bad.
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