I like the idea that Florida has introduced a progressive law. I think that's the most unrealistic claim of all.

They are not going to stop complaining. A lot of the folks that are on these instances that get blocked have alts or create new ones just to concern troll. It was obvious in this thread yesterday: "wow you defederated preemptively from hexbear but the obvious Anti-Trans right-wing instance stays? LW Admins must Nazi lovers and transphobes!" kind of posts. While in fact we were reaching out to the admin of rammy.site and having a talk/vote on how to proceed - even if it was obvious. This isn't a one-man show and this isn't a full time job it's a hobby so it can take a while for everyone to get his or her vote in.

One of these trolls was an admin of hexbear who was dumb enough to use their name in their email address..

Another hexbear user was angry because I didn't want to transfer a community over to her. She felt like she had the rights to !gamingcirclejerk@lemmy.world over the moderator who created it here on LW because she moderated the original community on reddit. She ask me to just hand it over to her and the reddit mods or rename the current existing one.. After I denied to do that - but proposing the be the middle-man in the talks with the current moderator - she started saying "the community will not like that and they will react to this".

So that's another thing to keep in mind. I just ignore it now and ban the accounts because there is no talking or being reasonable with these people.

Honestly those ultra right-wingers are pretty bad but the ultra left-wingers are worse. And as a lefty that is pretty sad to see. But I'm probably not left enough for those on hexbear and still "imperialistic scum".

The hexbear admin deleted most of their offense posts and then went on the Lemmy admin matrix chatroom saying how bad LW was to preemptively blocking hexbear, pretending to play nice. "It took them longer to defederate from exploding heads" so that must mean they are islamophobic, transphobic enablers."

As if it is not normal that you learn from your mistakes. Lemmy.World is less than 2 months old and we do what we think is best for this instance. We vote on these topics and then act. And we have no obligations to accept that kind of shitty behavior and have our users be confronted with it.

I'm gonna add that free speech is free speech as long as it's not used to threat and intimidate. Those people do not know what real free speech is.

So don’t talk about “free speech” and then wonder why you get downvoted into oblivion.

Why? Because free speech! It's super ironic to see people claim to support free speech above all else including human decency, and then go "Edit: All of you downvoting can eat shit and die, Lemmy is just like Reddit!!" Like dude, by your own standard people have the right to also be mad at you. You can't say something like "free speech doesn't care about your feelings" and then complain that people hurt your feelings.

Freedom of speech, not freedom of reach.

That feature definitely needs to be added soon..

However, instances that spread hate and propoganda should be defederated from regardless if people can block the instance individually. They should not be given an audience to radicalize.

This feature is available in Connect for Lemmy.

It astounds me that people literally don't get how federation works. The whole fucking point of federation is that we can defederate from instances that have garbage in them.

This isn't censorship.

People are free to go be human garbage in their own instance, and I am glad that we can throw out the trash.

Defederation is not censorship. It is refusing to listen to or platform things that you don't agree with i.e. bigots or nazis. Lemmy.world has defederated exploding heads so it stands to reason that they wouldn't want to listen to the same assholes spewing the same crap on rammy.site

They’re allowed to freely say whatever they want on their instance, but we don’t have to listen. Y’all view defederation like I’m fucking stabbing Caesar in the back again.

You've gotten downvoted, and you'll probably get some more downvotes. But you you took the time to write a thoughtful post, and you made a good point.

But ultimately I feel your point is wrong. Defederating from such an instance isn't the equivalent of dehumanizing people you disagree with. Rather, it's limiting the (potential) scope of harm people with bad intentions can cause.

I get you'd like to see "both sides" or have a fuller picture, but there is enough evidence already that there really isn't any possible "good" reason for their speech, and we should do what we can to limit its reach.

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Less well known [than other paradoxes] is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance