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Gay man ‘tortured’ in Qatar for his sexuality returns home after 'deeply disappointing' sentence (www.advocate.com)

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[-] Zexks@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] tacticalsugar 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Do you think there are circumstances where queer people deserve to be tortured? He moved there for work, but your victim blaming would be just as gross even if he did it for fun.

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] tacticalsugar 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not everyone can afford to not take work. Queer people are more likely to be fired and refused jobs because they're queer, and that frequently means needing to take horrible jobs in horrible places just to survive.

but does he really think

I don't mean this in a snarky way, try waterboarding yourself for 5 seconds and then consider if you would be in any way rational after sustained torture. Torture fucks you up in horrible ways, and I don't think we should be criticizing this man for how he reacted to the injustice he faced.

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] tacticalsugar 11 points 4 months ago

You're spending a lot of time scrutinizing the actions of a man who was just tortured for being gay. What are you trying to argue?

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] tacticalsugar 7 points 4 months ago

I think that's a pretty fucked up position to hold I'm not gonna lie.

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] tacticalsugar 5 points 4 months ago

You're hyperfocusing on criticizing the man who was just tortured for being gay instead of looking at the broader context of what happened, or trying to consider how you would react in that situation. Being victimised in this way is absolutely fucking horrible, and it fucks you up forever. I reacted very similarly to situations where I was victimised for being queer, and those were nothing like what this man has been through.

It's impossible to imagine what this man has been through in any meaningful way, but you should take a bit to just think about what this man went through, how badly he's been hurt to need to go to Qatar to find work, and the defeat he must feel knowing that he is forever changed by an experience that nobody will recognize or do anything about.

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] tacticalsugar 2 points 4 months ago

I said nothing about condoning, I asked you to empathize with a man who was just tortured. The fact that you're getting so upset over that says a lot about you. There's a reason you like to criticize the gay man and not the homophobic government that tortures people.

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] tacticalsugar 2 points 4 months ago

And I think it's kinda fucked up that you're clearly bothered that this man said he was disappointed with how he was treated but you don't care about how he was treated. You can say you're not upset as much as you want but the fact is that you've literally been victim blaming him for over an hour now. You can just say you don't like queers, you don't need to beat around the bush.

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] tacticalsugar 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Nah you victim blamed a man who was just tortured. I said it was a fucked up opinion and you doubled down. All he said was that he was "disappointed" and you got mad about that for some reason. He's literally not even "expecting" anything, he just said he was disapointed.

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] tacticalsugar 2 points 4 months ago

Could he have chosen a country to work in that wasn’t a shithole place with a liking for killing gays and fucking human rights? And is it reasonable to expect that a country like Qatar respects human rights? I’m not sure you know anything at all about the shithole of a country this guy decided to go to work.

He never said anything about expecting Qatar to respect human rights, you're just making things up to hate on the gay man now.

I’m not sure you know anything at all about the shithole of a country this guy decided to go to work.

Earlier you said that Mexico and the UK have better opportunities for gays but both of those countries have attrocious records for gay rights. You're accusing me of "not knowing" about Qatar but you clearly don't know what you're talking about. The way you keep saying "shithole country" like Trump sure does make it sound like you just hate faggots and brown people.

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] tacticalsugar 2 points 4 months ago

I mean, if you make an appeal and end up disappointed because the country doesn’t see any kind of violation to human rights… How do you call that?

That's called disappointment, that's how it works

Oh, and I never said Mexico or UK were better places for him, I said he is British-Mexican, so he probably had better places to go.

Try talking to a queer person some time, shit is bad for us everywhere right now.

Lastly, yeah, Qatar is a shithole country, and the only thing you need to know this is that no decent country makes being gay a crime.

Queer people are marginalized in every country right now. You clearly aren't actually that interested in queer politics or you would know that.

Are you sure you’re not mad?

Yes, I'm mad that you're victim blaming a gay man who was tortured and keep dropping racist dogwhistles. Are you enjoing telling the faggots how stupid they are?

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There aren't. However, if one country's laws says "we torture lgbt its a crime", why would you move there as a queer, where your existence is considered a crime? Surely there are other job opportunities at other places that don't think that way.

[-] tacticalsugar 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm just gonna copy and paste a previous post.

Surely there are other job opportunities at other places that don’t think that way.

There really aren't. In the past year every queer person I know has been fired and/or severely abused at their job and now they can't find new work. I get that it's hard for a lot of people to consider literally being unhireable, but that's what queers are experiencing right now.

[-] 432@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I agree with you. I would have gladly had him with my Bible Study group.

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Religion of peace strikes again

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