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Do you think there are circumstances where queer people deserve to be tortured? He moved there for work, but your victim blaming would be just as gross even if he did it for fun.
Not everyone can afford to not take work. Queer people are more likely to be fired and refused jobs because they're queer, and that frequently means needing to take horrible jobs in horrible places just to survive.
I don't mean this in a snarky way, try waterboarding yourself for 5 seconds and then consider if you would be in any way rational after sustained torture. Torture fucks you up in horrible ways, and I don't think we should be criticizing this man for how he reacted to the injustice he faced.
You're spending a lot of time scrutinizing the actions of a man who was just tortured for being gay. What are you trying to argue?
I think that's a pretty fucked up position to hold I'm not gonna lie.
You're hyperfocusing on criticizing the man who was just tortured for being gay instead of looking at the broader context of what happened, or trying to consider how you would react in that situation. Being victimised in this way is absolutely fucking horrible, and it fucks you up forever. I reacted very similarly to situations where I was victimised for being queer, and those were nothing like what this man has been through.
It's impossible to imagine what this man has been through in any meaningful way, but you should take a bit to just think about what this man went through, how badly he's been hurt to need to go to Qatar to find work, and the defeat he must feel knowing that he is forever changed by an experience that nobody will recognize or do anything about.
I said nothing about condoning, I asked you to empathize with a man who was just tortured. The fact that you're getting so upset over that says a lot about you. There's a reason you like to criticize the gay man and not the homophobic government that tortures people.
And I think it's kinda fucked up that you're clearly bothered that this man said he was disappointed with how he was treated but you don't care about how he was treated. You can say you're not upset as much as you want but the fact is that you've literally been victim blaming him for over an hour now. You can just say you don't like queers, you don't need to beat around the bush.
Nah you victim blamed a man who was just tortured. I said it was a fucked up opinion and you doubled down. All he said was that he was "disappointed" and you got mad about that for some reason. He's literally not even "expecting" anything, he just said he was disapointed.
He never said anything about expecting Qatar to respect human rights, you're just making things up to hate on the gay man now.
Earlier you said that Mexico and the UK have better opportunities for gays but both of those countries have attrocious records for gay rights. You're accusing me of "not knowing" about Qatar but you clearly don't know what you're talking about. The way you keep saying "shithole country" like Trump sure does make it sound like you just hate faggots and brown people.
That's called disappointment, that's how it works
Try talking to a queer person some time, shit is bad for us everywhere right now.
Queer people are marginalized in every country right now. You clearly aren't actually that interested in queer politics or you would know that.
Yes, I'm mad that you're victim blaming a gay man who was tortured and keep dropping racist dogwhistles. Are you enjoing telling the faggots how stupid they are?
Can you try feeling compassion for 5 seconds?
You couldn't go one post without victim blaming him. And tbh if you have to tell people you're being compassionate right before you launch into victim blaming, you are not being compassionate.
I'm mad at you because what you're saying is fucked up, yes. I'm just asking you to show basic empathy for another human being.
You've clearly never talked to a queer person in the EU if you think they aren't marginalized. Now you're just denying oppression.
Oh, now we’re dropping cishet like an insult?
When cishets are telling actual queer people about the oppression we face? Yeah, I'll drop cishet (derogatory).
And now you're just purposefully twisting what I said. Again. I preferred when people like you just called us faggots, it was a lot less annoying.
You are literally attacking me for things I didn't say lmao
okay cishet
Haha yeah those faggots deserve hate because they're so whiny about human rights and dignity.
I mean come on. You're literally saying I'm exactly just as bad as queermisics because I'm uppity.
You don't get to use that word. We've been called queer by people bashing us, we've been called queer by people killing us, for decades. We're the only ones who get to reclaim our slurs, not you. And when you use that word while victim blaming a man who was tortured for being gay, while telling queer people we're responsible for our own marginalization, it's just a slur. You don't get to say queer any more than you get to say faggot.
There aren't. However, if one country's laws says "we torture lgbt its a crime", why would you move there as a queer, where your existence is considered a crime? Surely there are other job opportunities at other places that don't think that way.
I'm just gonna copy and paste a previous post.
Not everyone can afford to not take work. Queer people are more likely to be fired and refused jobs because they're queer, and that frequently means needing to take horrible jobs in horrible places just to survive.
There really aren't. In the past year every queer person I know has been fired and/or severely abused at their job and now they can't find new work. I get that it's hard for a lot of people to consider literally being unhireable, but that's what queers are experiencing right now.
I agree with you. I would have gladly had him with my Bible Study group.