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[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Hopefully the Ukrainian military thought this all through in advance and had a good idea of where those reinforcements will come from, and have some surprises in store for them.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

To armchair general for a bit- they send out small, fast, agile squads in all directions that make a show of fighting then rapidly retreat. The enemy follows into dug in positions and a sky full of drones. Repeat until you've put enough of a dent into the enemy then massively counterattack the direction most of the enemy is coming from.

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Why counter attack (with the majority of forces) right away? Russians have shown poorer abilities when organizing offensives compared to defending. The incursion into Russia by Ukraine forces the Russian military into attacking. This is as opposed to sitting behind a thousand minefields in unmoving lines inside Ukraine.

Ukraine can set up elaborate layered defenses and enjoy the defensive advantage to grind up more Russian military assets. This also gives Ukraine opportunities for small detachments to hit the Russian reinforcements on the move, which is something they've already been doing.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

If I read it correctly, Ukraine is facing a very large force to the north and struggling to repel it. If you open up another front, you force Putin to hopefully take troops from there to use on the defence in Kursk, thereby lessening the load on the soldiers defending in the North.

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Peeling off Russian forces is exactly what Ukraine has already done with this force. I believe it was entirely the point.

Russia is forced not to ignore this for numerous reasons, and it forces them to attack to expel the Ukrainian forces. Successfully attacking with conscripts is a more difficult proposition than defending.

Ukrainian forces inside Russia can continue to force the confrontation by advancing into undefended territory and/or launching limited small scale attacks to be a constant wound inside of Russia. Ukrainians have already been conducting these attacks on reinforcements on their way to stop the main Ukrainian forces.

All the while Ukrainians inside Russia can refuse to assault defended positions. Which is exactly what they did initially. They bypassed the heavy positions and refused to engage in heavy force on force assaults. Instead as local defenders they are creating a lopsided local situation.

As an aside, where are Russian air assets? Inside Ukraine the skies were contested, but the apparent inability of air assets to repel Ukrainians from Russian territory with air power is not a good sign for Russia.

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[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago
[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Yakov Smirnoff being Ukrainian makes it that much better!

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Did not know that, thank you for improving my day with that little fact!

[-] BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works 41 points 11 months ago

Sounds like a special military vacation

[-] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A vacation in a foreign land
Mother Russia does the best she can

[-] Silentiea 4 points 11 months ago

A little mini sprog

[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

In many ways this gives Putin an out from this incredibly stupid war that he created.

Agree terms with Ukraine, peacefully take back the land they lost, declare victory, and stop this war for good. He can save face and maintain power until he dies while Russia stays a pariah to the world. Ukraine will still naturally join NATO, but without the threat of war Russia can just sit on what it owns.

IMO, this is the ideal time for some final sanctions on Russia by heavily fining all western companies that don't leave within 30 days. Cut them off entirely, and then bring them to the table to negotiate the return once Putin is gone. I don't see a progressive candidate entering Russian politics any time soon, but a non-KGB candidate without ties to the Kremlin might find power by having the west on their side - they just need to stay away from radiation and balconies.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Even when sanctions lift, it'll be hard to reenter Russia for practical reasons. My company left entirely, and it would be very hard for us to turn it all back on now. We'd be basically doing a whole deployment from scratch to the region.

Which is to say that, yeah, you can negotiate a potential return, but companies may not be quick to want to reinvest.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

At the risk of once again offending the people who read this as actually Cyrillic, this calls for another Rukraine post.

[-] AccountMaker@slrpnk.net 17 points 11 months ago

My Cyrillic reading eyes!!! They burn!!!

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I tried to read that out loud and now there's a fucking Russian potato mephit just FOLLOWING me everywhere.

[-] DontAskAboutUpdog@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

R?dui? D ?ocja iote?

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[-] small44@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

It reminds me of when rome did the same against hannibal and carthage

[-] 432@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Putin needs to find Jesus. He needs to read scripture.

EDIT: This seems like just another online liberal echo chamber! What a joke!

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 74 points 11 months ago

Yeah, because Christianity isn't the biggest echo chamber in the history of humanity 🙄

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

5 day old account using Jesus as an argument for every discussion. Obvious troll is obvious.

[-] andrewth09@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Wow. This comment is just another liberal echo chamber. 🙄

[-] Metype@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You appear to be speaking nonsense words, they all have meaning and some groupings in your comment do too. In its entirety though this comment makes no sense. An echo chamber is a place that many individuals may go to reinforce their views, with other members backing them up and attempting to remove any naysayers or disagreement.

A comment cannot, by definition, be an echo chamber.

Edit: What I find most odd is that your other comments seem to be very sensical. I generally agree with what you have to say, so this is a very strange thing to see you commenting.

[-] andrewth09@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

so this is a very strange thing to see you commenting.

It's because I didn't include the "/s" at the end of the comment.

432 is definitely a troll/bot account. He calls a lot of comment sections a liberal echo chamber.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Shares stupid opinion.

Everyone points out how stupid it is.

"This place is a liberal echo chamber!"

[-] Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Another one? Is it common for people to find it annoying when you suggest religion is somehow a solution for things?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Putin is Russian Orthodox.

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 17 points 11 months ago

He did find Jesus and then realized it to be a bit problematic that he couldn't fully control it, so he put his KGB friend at the head of the Russian Orthodoxy so now Jesus says what Putin wants him to say

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Not everything is about religion, and god botherers need to not get so pissy about it.

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Lol 🤣 what a terrible take.

[-] sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I find it ridiculous how downvoted you got. Of all the major religions Christianity is the one that went through the greatest processes of self-reflection and criticism and while I find most of its institutions still very flawed, it offers a lot of deep and compassionate thought and traditions. Also it actually has excellent philosophers and thinkers that integrate a scientific world view in theirs.

Lemmy is very ridiculous in this regard. People have intense opinions on things they have no deep understanding of. It's like how MAGA people react to things like gun control or vaccines. They preach tolerance of some things and not others.

The thought of Putin finding Jesus could have led to a funny and weird conversation, and yet you were just met with hate. It's so sad.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

Of all the major religions Christianity is the one that went through the greatest processes of self-reflection and criticism

When did this happen? Because I still see a lot of self-righteous hate and bigotry from Christians all over the world.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Coming from a country - Portugal - which was very Catholic not that long ago, I would say that the children of Catholic parents went through a great process of "self-reflection and criticism" and dropped Catholicism.

The religion itself is pretty much as backwards as ever.

What happened is that the number of actual practicing Catholics (you know, people who actually go to church and spend time thinking about that stuff) has fallen steeply, even if there are still many who just because they got baptized (which is something one has no choice on), get counted as religious.

Even with the Christian sects dominant in places like the US and Brazil trying to get a foothold over here, there's nowhere the level of dominance of religion in public life there seems to be in the US. It's funny that a country which maybe 50 or 60 years ago was, IMHO, very socially backwards compared to the US, is now more socially evolved than it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

It sounds like Christianity didn't go through self-reflection, it sounds like Christians did and many of them stopped being Christians.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Exactly.

My kind interpretation of the previous poster's comment is that he or she may have confused the latter with the former: looked at highly religious places, saw them moving forward in social terms and thought it was the religion moving forward when in fact it was the people dropping the religion and thus moving forward.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

I'm from a Portuguese family, and have been back to the Acores a number of times to visit family, etc... Even when I was very very young I remember going into the local church to look around and seeing how much gold was wasted on its interior while the village around it was still very much in a semi-poverty state. It was mind-blowing that that ever seemed "okay".

When my folks were growing up (dad was born in 49, mom in 52) there were people on the island that didn't have access to indoor plumbing, and yet every village's local church was laced in gold.

Shameful.

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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

Merging the head of state and head of religion is how we got here in the fist place.

[-] prex@aussie.zone 6 points 11 months ago

This thread went downhill fast. ffs can't we all just get along.

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[-] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

K now launch invasion of Crimea while they're busy with kursk

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Misleading title; the article says that he pulled some troops out of Ukraine.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago

I would say the headline is unclear, not misleading. I read it as him pulling some forces out. Pulling all of them would be a ridiculous over-reaction.

Rereading after your comment I can see how it might be unclear though.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago

It's not, though. If I said I "ate apples from my fridge", you shouldn't assume I ate every apple.

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