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[-] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 143 points 6 months ago

The more time I spend with Linux the more I realize that Distro doesn’t matter, GUI doesn’t matter, experience doesn’t matter.

Distro doesn’t matter because you will inevitably come across something that you need that doesn’t work on your distribution.

GUI doesn’t matter because no matter what you do you will %100 have to use the terminal and if you can do it once you can do it again.

Experience doesn’t matter because if you’re inexperienced you have to go outside your Comfort zone, if you’re experienced you got there because you like going outside your comfort zone and you will constantly stay in that state.

[-] 474D@lemmy.world 74 points 6 months ago

WTF are you guys doing with your PCs??? I've been running Mint for over a year now and the only time I've used the terminal was to open a port for Chromecast. I browse, I game, I watch shows, etc. maybe I'm just really lucky, idk, it's been nothing but smooth sailing.

[-] pmarcilus@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 6 months ago

We have become philosophers of our own, as tweaking Linux has been a way to meditate our stressful mind to overcome the difficulty of touching grasses.

[-] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

I personally use it to run a headless docker on fedora 40 server with containers holding jellyfin, filebrowser, pia, qBittorrent a desktop in noVNC a pfsense server, and probably some stuff I forgot.

Why is that not a standard use case?

But in all seriousness I guess I get your point.

[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

Meh, don't worry about it. If you are happy with how it's going for you - enjoy the ride! Not everyone needs to be bothered by the terminal. But it IS there if you need it or want to use it.

Besides, if Arch users wanted to be be real gurus they'd be running EMACS and not Arch.

[-] prayer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

Ffmepg, whisper. Programs that are command-line only and are super useful.

[-] bitfucker@programming.dev 3 points 6 months ago

Same could be said for any other distro. I think his point is that when shit just works, nothing makes a difference between distro. Be it Arch, Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Gentoo

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 40 points 6 months ago

The mindset of a true Slacker.

[-] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 6 months ago

The mindset of a true Slacker.

[-] Jallu@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 months ago

I guess the username explains the response totally.

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago

Nobody calls me a Slacker!

[-] cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 6 months ago

Well your arch broke, didn't it?

[-] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 6 months ago

It’s arch… of course it broke 😂

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Arch is the distro that did hold the longest against my torture yet, maybe because everything is from the same repo 🤔😂

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[-] DaGeek247@fedia.io 12 points 6 months ago

That huge chunk of learning required for arch when you've never used Linux before is really hard to imagine when you have years of experience working Linux under your belt. That does not mean it doesn't exist for new users though.

That shit's complex and long. Much as I appreciate the sentiment of "the distro doesn't matter" I really can't agree.

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[-] dan@upvote.au 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I realised the same thing.

When I was switching from Windows to Linux on my PCs (both at home and at work), I originally wanted to use Debian because I'm most familiar with it and have been running it on servers for 20+ years.

I have to use Fedora at work though - it's a lightly-modified version of Fedora that runs some automatic configuration on first boot and first log in for things like ensuring disk encryption is enabled (including adding randomly-generated secondary keys for IT support), 802.1x certificates for Ethernet and VPN auth, Chef, endpoint security, etc.

Anyways, I started using it and love it. I'm running it at home now too. I realised the difference between distros is much narrower than it used to be.

[-] dimath@ttrpg.network 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes and no for me

Distro doesn't matter because they only differ in package manager and initial configuration, you can always compile things if you really need it.

GUI doesn't matter because you'll end up with all KDE and gnome dependencies installed anyway because your applications need it.

Experience probably matters, but if it doesn't, it may be because there is just so much there to know.

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[-] mihnt@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 months ago

Instructions unclear. I'm running Gnome on Mint.

[-] enemyofsun 4 points 6 months ago

Experience doesn’t matter because if you’re inexperienced you have to go outside your Comfort zone, if you’re experienced you got there because you like going outside your comfort zone and you will constantly stay in that state.

I was experimenting a lot during my early Linux months but then I found what works for me and settled with it. I don't leave my comfort zone much anymore.

[-] srestegosaurio@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 6 months ago

NixOS:

a whistle is blown, people start running out the trenches rifle in hand. Shouting while bombs pounder around, you stay still, disoriented. The general grabs your jacket and starts screaming. You cannot figure a single word of what he says, he just puts a monad into your hands.

[-] 0laura@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

a monad is a monoid in the category of endofunctors

[-] _____@lemm.ee 37 points 6 months ago

And I fucking soared

(Btw)

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago
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[-] Veneroso@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago

Gentoo: you compile your mother from source, and then give birth to yourself.

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[-] MTK@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago

The thing about arch, is that if you have a basic understanding of the terminal and computers, the arch wiki can get from that level to a real expert.

So if you ask me, anyone with a basic understanding of the terminal, and a goal to improve, should go with arch.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Can you define a basic understanding of the terminal?

Your basic and my basic could be wildly different.

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Know how to use it, understand the basic file system structure, know basic commands (ls, which, cat, mkdir, chmod)

[-] prayer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

Having completed "Hacknet", the hit 2015 hacker simulator video game.

(Only half joking)

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[-] LwL@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

This was my experience just setting it up as dualboot and not doing super much with it. Sure I failed installing it a few times but I came out with more understanding of file systems, and in the end the wiki told me everything I needed to know.

[-] Racingradar@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Oh I feel that, the wiki is a god send. Even for none arch related problems at times.

[-] deuleb_biezelbob@programming.dev 6 points 6 months ago

Arch + manpages + wiki is all you need

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[-] nebulaone@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Arch is unironically easy.

You only need to know two commands:

archinstall

and

sudo pacman -Syu

PS: If my 60 year old mom can do it, anyone can.

[-] Spider89@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I installed Arch using archinstall and my system finished with missing KDE and important packages. I was also missing secure boot...

Staying on Debian.

[-] nebulaone@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

How long ago was that? I have installed Arch with archinstall on ~10 different PCs over the last 4 years without any issues. Maybe I just got lucky, though.

[-] Spider89@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

A few days ago.

Problably because I'm used to Debian.

[-] alkaliv2@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Archinstall works until it doesn't. Recently I tried Luks and BTRFS more than 6 times leading to a script error each and every time. Could I have done something simpler and archinstall work? Possibly. But it offers those things out of the box and for it to fail each and every time ultimately led me back to the wiki to do it manually.

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[-] mutter9355@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 6 months ago

Yes, Debian packages are old. Tell me again when your arch install breaks for the 4th time this week.

[-] dan@upvote.au 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

and you have a choice with Debian. You can run:

  • Stable if you want stability, meaning it doesn't change often (minor updates only).
  • Testing if you want newer packages that have at least gone through some level of testing. They've been in unstable for at least 3-10 days with no major bug reports.
  • Unstable/sid if you want to assist the Debian project by reporting bugs (which is always appreciated!), or want the "breaks all the time" experience of other distros.
[-] forrcaho@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Debian unstable doesn't break all the time, tho. There's only been a handful of times in my 27 years of using it that something got truly borked.

(That's not counting times when two packages have the same file and there's a conflict. That's trivial to resolve once you've seen it a few times. Even that is relatively rare.)

[-] exu@feditown.com 18 points 6 months ago

Arch doesn't break all the time either, but it's a meme and therefor 100% true.

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[-] djsaskdja@reddthat.com 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I’ve never had Debian or Arch completely break, but have had my share of annoying bugs with both of them. Biggest issue I kept having with Debian is it’d just get stuck and wouldn’t update. Think it was 12.4 I had this problem with. Way more annoying than anything Arch did to my system. I’m using Fedora now days.

Same issue as this person: https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=156345. That’s not even mentioning the 12.3 debacle which I was thankfully spared of.

[-] Kanda@reddthat.com 4 points 6 months ago

The only breakage I used to get was having to update the keyring because I had been away and not spamming pacman -Syyu for gasp several days.

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[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

The amount of uninformed, stereotyped memery in this comment section is actually unreal

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[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Not an accurate depiction of birds...after the helpless phase birds become fledglings where they leave the nest but are still dependent on their parents for food. Social structures vary a lot by species but many remain with parents for quite some time.

[-] Pixel@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

I mean, some bird species have mothers that essentially drop their fledglings to predators to distract from themselves (and their insecurities), or just simply don't feel bothered to actually help raise them to maturity.

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[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 months ago

Gentoo and Slackware are for no mortals

[-] dan@upvote.au 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The only people I know who are still running Slackware are doing it via Unraid (which is built on top of Slackware)

[-] umbraroze@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Hey, comparing Debian to a snail and its shell is unfair.

It's more like a turtle and its shell.

Turtles can actually be surprisingly fast sometimes!

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