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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18340810

In a contentious and misleading post on social media, JD Vance, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, launched an attack on Vice President Kamala Harris’s support for LGBTQ+ inclusivity. Vance falsely accused Algerian Olympic boxer Imane Khelif of being transgender, causing widespread condemnation and backlash from human rights advocates.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 117 points 3 months ago

It's important to note the reason all this kicked off is a Russian boxing organization (that let her fight multiple times) disqualified her after she beat an undefeated rising Russian star, and won't disclose what test they accuse her of failing.

But they have said it wasn't the testosterone test.

So it's not surprising Republicans immediately ran with it

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 44 points 3 months ago

And, they DQed her in a way that erased her win, making that Russian boxer still undefeated on the record.

But yeah, they claimed she failed a test, but won't reveal who did it, or the methodology used, meaning it's not replicable and thus NOT GOOD SCIENCE.

[-] Laser@feddit.org 29 points 3 months ago

It was made up in the first place anyways. Russia has 0 credibility on the national stage. If a Russian institute announced that the sky was blue, I'd go out to check. He should be ashamed citing their bullshit, but I suspect that's an emotion he's incapable of.

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's not a Russian organization, it's the IBA - which is the premier amateur boxing organization/confederation, which is currently headed by a Russian national.

And his time in office has been a smashing success, such as when the IOC withdrew their recognition of the IBA, which removed the IBA from any involvement/participation in Olympic Boxing.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

It’s not a Russian organization,

It wasn't a Russian organization...

But most of it's operations have been moved to Russia, and their sole sponsor is a Russian company...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Boxing_Association#2023%E2%80%93present

The guy has even canceled elections to replace him. By now it's essentially a kidnapped organization, literally nothing prior to 2023 matters anymore. It is only the IBA still in name only.

Like the old NRA takeover in the 70s.

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's important to note the reason all this kicked off is a Russian boxing organization

That is what I was responding to. Your flippant dismissal of what the IBA actually is: a highly relevant intentional sporting organization for boxing, which is still true despite their current situation.

Shit on them for everything you laid out, their farsical antics this week, blatant corruption, or any other number of issues, but don't intentionally mislead and mischaracterize them to an audience that most likely largely ignorant of amateur boxing or combat sports in general. Or at least, that is assuming as there are no active combat sports communities on Lemmy that I have seen, be it MMA, boxing, kick boxing, etc.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Your flippant dismissal of what the IBA actually ~~is~~ was: a highly relevant intentional sporting organization for boxing

[-] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Always blame Russia, even when it is just your old white supremacy that is prevalent in Europe and North America. Do you think the Russians were the reason for the French occupation of Algeria that resulted in millions dead?

[-] rekorse@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Do I think Russians cheat at international sports? Yes.

What the fuck are you going on about with that other shit?

[-] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

You are blaming Russia for the West's long tradition of white supremacy and racism. Algeria only freed itself from brutal French rule in 1962. Bigotry towards Algerians and North Africans is engrained in France and across Europe.

[-] rekorse@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Well the French aren't being assholes right now, Russia is. Specifically in relation to sports. Which is the topic of the conversation.

How does western racism cause Russia to falsely ban an athlete?

[-] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The French didn't stop being assholes, it was only a few months ago when an anti-Arab and Muslim song went viral. Imane has been demonized by Western outlets, politicians and other celebrities, because she is an Algerian woman who defeated an European women.

[-] rekorse@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Well this didnt age well, Imane is a darling to the west now, and might be the only person who can shut jk Rowling up for a week.

And I will allow a single part of France to be ass backwards, just like any other country. Should I share with you all the chart toppers from mine that are explicitly racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. Some artists even write controversial songs in an effort to move forward dialogue, even though their actual art itself might be problematic and non-representative of their morals.

[-] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 44 points 3 months ago

Shame Vance turned his back on the LGBTQ+. Mamaw tried her best

"I'll never forget the time I convinced myself that I was gay. I was eight or nine, maybe younger, and I stumbled upon a broadcast by some fire-and-brimstone preacher. The man spoke about the evils of homosexuals, how they had infiltrated our society, and how they were all destined for hell absent some serious repenting. At the time, the only thing I knew about gay men was that they preferred men to women. This described me perfectly: I disliked girls, and my best friend in the world was my buddy Bill. Oh no, I'm going to hell."

When he brought up the issue with his grandmother — known to Vance as "Mamaw" — she replied bluntly: "Don't be a fucking idiot, how would you know that you're gay?"

When Vance explained his reasoning, she laughed.

"JD, do you want to suck dicks?" she said, according to the book.

The young Vance, apparently "flabbergasted," said: "Of course not!"

"Then you're not gay. And even if you did want to suck dicks, that would be okay," she replied. "God would still love you."

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

🤣 Is this story true? If so, respect for Granny.

[-] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

He seriously wrote it in his book. No telling if it is actually true or not

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago

That's right, conservatives want a candidate for the most powerful position on earth to worry about hypothetical nonsensical situations where men will go through years of medical and psychological treatments just to punch women in the face.

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Tbf I wouldn't mind going through years of medical and psychological treatments if it meant I was allowed to punch whoever I wanted to in the face. Not for sports or for transgender reasons, just for fun. Turn me into a weapon please.

[-] evranch@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

Just try it the other way. Random face punching today, years of medical and psychological treatment later!

[-] ieightpi@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Amygdala too big and cerebrum too small

[-] UnityDevice@startrek.website 31 points 3 months ago

When Algeria is too woke for you, you should really reconsider things.

[-] amio@kbin.run 23 points 3 months ago

Hm. That's weird.

[-] MissJinx@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

"gender eligibility test." WTF
I do think you should have some baseline hormone tests because of doping but "gender eligibility" is kind of distopian lol

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Very on brand for an organization controlled by a government that considers being openly LGBTQ+ inherently harmful to the point that it jails people for it, though 🤬

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

How is this “oniony”? This is pretty much on point for this weirdo.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

Because the GOP norm IS as oniony as anything, except much less clever 🤷

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

I really want someone to punch this Vance kid in the weiner.

[-] spookedintownsville@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

The couch did.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

As all people of intelligence and taste do 🤜

[-] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 months ago

He’s just so weird.

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