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"he's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting!"
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Sure hope this thread doesn't devolve into hating on people who live in rural areas or the US south generally.
The thread is multiple hours old with a few comments and none of them negative. Then you come along trying to stir up controversy. Why? What kind of victim complex is this?
No victim complex. I hadn't seen anything here that I found distasteful. I don't have a problem with the OP either. I said what I meant and nothing more. "I sure hope this thread doesn't devolve..." doesn't mean that it has or even that I expect it to. I have seen it before in this community however. Some people build up this idea in their head of the southern states being filled with hateful fascists, and they're right to a degree. Its also filled with pockets of disenfranchised and oppressed people. Maybe I'm an optimist or idealist, but that's the view I like to hold. I just like to try pushing the conversation away from attacking southern/rural people who are wholely harmed by the policies of a loud minority of bigots.
As a former Appalachian rural redneck, I can freely criticize my own. Also you couldn't pay me enough to live in the south who still widely idolizes the Confederacy and routinely votes for fascism. This is of course a perception based on the average and independent of any individual who may buck that norm.
Nice to see some nuance. This is how you criticize the establishment powers in an area plagued by fascism.
yeah we should only allow those people to hate everyone else but no one should hate them simply for trying to make everything worse for everyone but themselves.
I will condemn any bigot, fascist, reactionary, colonizer, and religious or ethno-nationalist.
Believe it or not though, those people are a loud minority in many parts of the south. When you generalize people based on what region they're from, good people get caught in the crossfire.
Is it really just mindlessly hating on them when all the critiques are actual chronic issues those communities have been trying to rugsweep for actual centuries now?
Being nasty and mean about real problems doesn't make those problems any less real, it just means that person is especially disgusted by that conduct.
I'll be the first to criticize the government and policies that have dominated the southern states for centuries. However many many people in the south don't support those governments and are harmed by those policies. Please do call out the problems - attack those in power and send a message that their conduct is unacceptable. I only ask that you don't generalize the people stuck in the region by economic conditions and a culture that's hostile to them.
I'm not even talking about the backwards ass governments, I'm talking about the backwards ass people that elect them.
Their warping of religious norms to condone heinous behavior,
Their treatment of their daughters like broodmares for trade, parading them about in pageants and debuts and purity balls, and then tossing them aside like used goods if they get raped, or worse, forcing them to marry the rapist because "but he's from a good family!", even if they're still only children!
Their treatment of their queer children, literally torturing the poor souls with electricity and social isolation and public shaming for being found out or making the fatal mistake of hoping these bloodthirsty redcaps can ever be trusted and coming out to them. Abusing them, disowning them, kicking them to the streets or worse yet facilitating rape by those aforementioned good family types, or even their own family members to "teach them the right way to be."
Their treatment of their boys, crushing them under expectations until they crack and then encouraging them into nazi circles like heroin dealers insisting the first shoot's free.
Their treatment of their own communities, acting as a bucket of crabs fighting like hell to eat anyone who tries to escape alive.
The land of Traitors, Rattlesnakes, and Alligators.
They are the working class, they are still wholly worthy of the contempt and disgust as backwards savages they try to label people like me as for who we are or where we come from.
They're monsters in their own right and trying to chase away the valid criticism of their shit is just gonna leave you alone when they decide to stop fluffing you up by calling you one of the good ones and swallow you whole.
As long as the "they" you refer to is "the... people that elect [backwards governments]" as you put it - I'm in total agreement.
The majority of southerners didn't elect anyone though. Its specifically lumping the people most harmed by those backwards people in with them that I don't want to happen. That distinction may seem obvious enough to you to not be worth mentioning, but I promise it isn't obvious to everyone.
The majority of southerners didn't elect anyone though.
Then how did their representatives get into their offices?
By having a minority vote them in. Voter turnout is notoriously low in many southern states, especially the reliably red ones.
so it's not their fault they choose to let the "minority" rule? these blameless, hard working, moral, salt of the earth silent majority that let these terrible people act as their representatives?
You're completely discounting the struggles of the many people that have fought their entire lives against persecution and for self determination. There is a long and storied history of this in the US south and it continues today. Just because the job isn't done yet doesn't mean nobody's working to stop fascism.
this post was submitted on 03 Aug 2024
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