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[-] papalonian@lemmy.world 247 points 4 months ago
[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 44 points 4 months ago

This is a precise depiction of both Lemmy and Reddit, surprisingly.

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 125 points 4 months ago

I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 47 points 4 months ago

Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 61 points 4 months ago

Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from?

That depends on the implementation.

Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view?

That depends on the implementation.

Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?

That—believe it or not—depends on the implementation.

[-] puppy@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We already have an implementation. You me and OP are all on Lemmy. So can you answer these in the context of Lemmy again?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I actually can’t answer them, because I only admin this instance, I don’t run it.

While I’m sure this is not the case, it’s entirely possible that the people who do run this instance are running a fork of it that does all of those things. It couldn’t log your IP address or block your VPN, but it could mine, and your instance could yours. And I haven’t read the Lemmy source code, so I don’t know what even an unmodified Lemmy logs.

(Actually this instance is running a fork right now, or rather a branch: 0.19.6-beta1, because lemmy.ml is the core Lemmy developers’ instance for testing beta code before releasing production versions.)

[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago

But you can read the source code and get an understanding of whether it is collecting private information or not. You can theoretically also fork the code and make your own version of Lemmy where you're ripped out the parts that collect private information. Can you do any of those things with Reddit? Absolutely not. You have no idea what exactly Reddit collects and even if you did you have no control over that collection.

What you're doing is questioning the privacy aspect without putting in the effort to check if your questioning is valid. Nobody is preventing you from reading the source code. And if you don't trust anyone else running the instance you can fork Lemmy, make whatever privacy changes you need and host your own instance. That goes beyond the capabilities of the average user but that's the catch with privacy, if you can't trust others then you have to learn more to get by without others.

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[-] growingentropy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago

I got off lemmy.world because they block VPN connections. Not happening, under any circumstances. I don't trust anyone that much.

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[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago

And generally that's fine. If you're posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.

Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn't call it "private" because it's monetized.

Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.

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[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Privacy in the sense that no one is selling your information for profit

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[-] fin@sh.itjust.works 90 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You can’t unseen the huge one problem that Lemmy has: lack of contents/people

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

And the community that is here is, amazingly, somehow even worse than Reddit, on average, when it comes to being a hive mind that is wildly intolerant of any disagreement.

[-] Kroxx@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago

I personally disagree, mainly because the interactions have much more depth than the same 30 unfunny comments that people make on reddit ex: this. Don't get me wrong it happens here as well, just way less. I also see people back claims up with evidence here way more, it's not always valid evidence but at least an attempt is made more.

The thing I like the best is the lack of self righteousness (ironic I'm making this comment on this post haha) that reddit has, that was my personal biggest complaint there. Like on reddit if there is an animal in a video in any way shape or form you can almost always find someone screeching about animal abuse, even when it is obviously not.

I of course have bias in favor of Lemmy and this is highly dependent on the community. I will admit Lemmy is super left leaning, which I like, but definitely supports your hive mind argument. Even though I lean left I think it would be healthier for Lemmy to have more of a presence from the right. Unfortunately with how the political landscape is today I think it won't be very achievable but hopefully when we hit the post Trump era divisiveness will ease making coexistence here more achievable.

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[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Catch 22. Just gotta start posting content

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 19 points 4 months ago

I find enough content here. Have you blocked every instance?

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[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

lemmy now has more content daily than reddit in 2011, we'll grow.

We've already grown faster than reddit

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 66 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

lemmy aint that private, and possibly easily scrapable

[-] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 4 months ago

It's as private as you make it. It does not have integrated tracking and/or ad trafficking.

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[-] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

As all sites should be. I'm on the internet, mr world wide. When did we expect privacy. Don't put nothing online you don't want the world to know.

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago

Reddit isn't privacy-safe either.

I'd put less bots/more legitimate users as a benefit of lemmy instead of privacy though.

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[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 53 points 4 months ago

Uh, no. Better mods is bullshit.

The same powertripping happens here and the admins are just as dismissive.

[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 42 points 4 months ago

You can't guarantee better mods, those are volunteers/instance admins/staff of an instance admin and are people. There is nothing inherent to how Lemmy works that ensures that people tasked with moderating aren't power hungry or in some way a bit of a dick. There was to my understanding, a certain draw to Lemmy over Reddit in that the federated nature means the actions of some power hungry moderator on one instance won't leave you having no option but to accept their behaviour because you can just migrate to another instance to see and interact with the same content or even spin up your own instance, but that doesn't make the mods themselves any different and that's all in theory anyway. In practice there isn't currently a way to migrate user accounts from one instance to another so if your account is of value to you and you've run afoul of some ban happy mod in one community on one instance, then you'll have to make a whole new account on another instance if you want to circumvent them and interact in that same community again from another instance and in such a case if its identifiably still you, or you want to engage in the original behaviour that incurred their wrath then they'll just ban you again from your new instance because a different protocol design doesn't mean different people.

[-] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 16 points 4 months ago

Lemmy makes it a bit easier to make competing communities. If enough people get angry at bad mods in a community they will migrate.

This already happened in Reddit, but competing communities had different names, and Lemmy also allows to escape bad admins and sites/instances.

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[-] NorthWestWind@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago

The main problem is, people are not aware of the left path

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 37 points 4 months ago

Well the main problem is that the left path has about a tenth the content.

And also that Redditors are terrified of change.

[-] NorthWestWind@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Correction to my comment, the right road is wider, and is also a giant glue trap

[-] dwindling7373@feddit.it 17 points 4 months ago

about a tenth the content

I fucking wish.

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

I got banned from world news for being pro Palestinians and the mods wouldn't even give me an answer as to why I got banned. Then when I kept asking I got a site wide ban for ""harassment"

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I got banned from /news for being "antisemitic" because I debunked the fake israeli Rape propaganda and from worldnews for calling out a Zionist mod spreading pro-israel propaganda.

Also took a few temp bans on .world for debunking other Hasbara such as claims about Hamas bases under hospitals in the beginning of the Genocide.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago

Reddit still has niches that (unfortunately) exist nowhere else, probably won't exist anywhere else soon due to the need for foot traffic, and are tolerable as long as old.reddit.com stays up.

And it's the lesser evil over Discord.

Lemmy is of course 1000x better, but it doesn't matter if your niche there is a ghost town.

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[-] celeste 22 points 4 months ago

Is there more privacy though? What you post is public and people can use the api/scrape it soo....

[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 4 months ago

We are free from "intrusive advertisers who tracks every movement, clicks and time spent on each kind of post, comment or whatever"

As well as device fingerprinters

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[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 22 points 4 months ago

I think most people here would take the left path but there might be a selection bias at play

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Lemmy.World is undergoing is bit of a Zionist admin/mods problem.

They seem to admire the reddit r/worldnews model.

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[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Me over here just vibing by myself on my own self-hosted instance that I pay out of pocket for. I go find communities I like and subscribe to them, and it’s enough to keep me interested and engaged, without most of the bullshit Reddit has.

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[-] lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

I'm not sure if mods are a proper criteria when it comes to comparing Lemmy and Reddit. The audience is mostly the same and Lemmy doesn't automatically make people/mods better or worse.

Also, you forgot one major point: API! I get to use and support my third party app of choice Sync here on Lemmy which was killed off by Reddit.

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[-] atro_city@fedia.io 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Majority: everybody uses reddit, so I'll join them

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Me: everybody uses reddit now, time to leave

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 13 points 4 months ago

Nahh the mods are irrelevant, they're human everywhere .

Reddits a turd because its corporate, they're literally exploiting you for their betterment. I dont understand why people are OK with that but here we are.

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