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[-] Mk23simp 66 points 5 months ago

I wrote in "Gaza" on the primary, but come november I am 100% sure that I'm gonna be voting D as hard as I can because my partner is trans and I'd rather not be driven from the country by transphobia, thanks.

Criticising the democrats for when they're not good is absolutely valid, but at the same time, get out and vote for them and mobilize as many voters for them as you can, because the difference in outcome between the two parties with legitimate chances of winning is too great to throw away your votes protesting the lesser of two evils. By all means, keep protesting (In other ways, besides the ballot box), but also do your part to make sure that we get the lesser of two evils, not the greater.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Nobody is talking about "criticizing Democrats". We're talking about active censorship of criticism of the Democratic party, because of their support of israel.

When you go on .world you find people not just saying what you are saying, but enthusiastically praising Biden as one of the greatest presidents of all time and lying about him standing up to israel. And that gets upvoted.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago

Violence against trans individuals has increased under Biden. That isn't because Biden is "tougher on trans issues," it's because the DNC is doing absolutely nothing to prevent the root cause of fascism from rising, which is decaying Capitalism.

Vote for whoever you want, but if you want to protect your partner, you'll likely get best results by living in a blue area of a blue state, regardless of who is in the federal office.

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Capitalism is an enabler not a cause of fascism, there’s a difference

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What do you believe to be the cause of fascism, the declining material conditions of Capitalism, or the spread of dangerous ideas?

In my opinion, the latter is only possible if the former is already true. Historically, fascism has been an attempt by the Bourgeoisie and Petite Bourgeoisie to ally and "turn the clock back" to the "good old days." It's why we see so many small business owners riding the Tesla Train, and why Musk has been supporting fascists on X like EndWokeness and LibsOfTikTok. This extreme nationalism and hardcore embrace of "tradition" is economic in cause.

Capitalism leads to fascism or Socialism, whoever wins the struggle as it dies. It's up to Leftists to struggle against fascism at every step so that we can progress forwards, not regress.

[-] Mk23simp 8 points 5 months ago

We're absolutely planning to live in a blue state. But the ability to be safe even in blue states is in question if Trump gets elected again. If he does, then we're probably gonna try to get out of the country as quickly as possible rather than waiting around to find out.

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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 34 points 5 months ago

I agree. Let's support Trump, the person who legalised the West Bank occupation.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago

You don't have to support Biden or Trump if genocide is a red line for you.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 23 points 5 months ago

You will, however, be politically impotent in that case. Checking out of democracy because one option is only incrementally better than the other isn't really helping anyone.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

What do you mean by "checking out of democracy?"

As for Kamala being less evil, this is true, yes. However, what's the plan, long-term? Just keep voting for increasingly right-wing ghouls, as long as they aren't as bad as the GOP, until the GOP inevitably wins again?

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 18 points 5 months ago

If you want democrats to be a certain way, vote for those democrats in primaries and local elections. You have to fix it from the bottom up and from within.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

This is historically inaccurate, though. You can't fix the party from within, because the DNC will always serve its donors. Voting for slightly more progressive democrats won't actually change that fact.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 8 points 5 months ago

Then I'd say your options are relocate to somewhere with a more appealing government or cede electoral power to others. Third parties are irrelevant on the national scale, and only slightly less so on the state scale.

Agitate for RCV or other election reforms that make third parties more relevant, but until that's the case I'll stand by my earlier assertions.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

Then I'd say your options are relocate to somewhere with a more appealing government or cede electoral power to others. Third parties are irrelevant on the national scale, and only slightly less so on the state scale.

The Left has no electoral power in a system dominated by financial interests. The DNC does not represent the Left.

Agitate for RCV or other election reforms that make third parties more relevant, but until that's the case I'll stand by my earlier assertions.

Why would the DNC or GOP weaken their own standing?

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[-] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 months ago

Democracy is when you have the choice between genocider and slightly less evil genocider

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 7 points 5 months ago

If you don't vote, it means you are ok with either one and don't care enough either way to go to the ballot.

Not voting it's not a third option, it's a statement that you don't care about either of the two options. Voting a third candidate is instead simply useless and in practice amounts to the same thing as not voting or voting with a blank ballot.

So in practice the options are: voting for the Democrats, voting for the Republicans, doing nothing and being ok with either one winning or leaving the fucking country.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

If you don't vote, it means you are ok with either one and don't care enough either way to go to the ballot.

I plan on voting, my point is that disaffected leftists voting for third parties or refusing to support genocide does not mean support for Trump.

Not voting it's not a third option, it's a statement that you don't care about either of the two options. Voting a third candidate is instead simply useless and in practice amounts to the same thing as not voting or voting with a blank ballot.

Not quite accurate. Voting third party signals that third party platforms are more popular, and can shift the larger parties.

So in practice the options are: voting for the Democrats, voting for the Republicans, doing nothing and being ok with either one winning or leaving the fucking country.

Not entirely true, Electoralism is perhaps the least effective way to gain major change. Organizing and mass protesting can get meaningful change, same as striking. Forcing concessions is the way true change has occured historically, not simply at the ballot box.

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

my point is that disaffected leftists voting for third parties [...] does not mean support for Trump

With the current American Electoral law, it kind of does. Let's say that 5% of the votes instead of going to the Democrats go to some other third party. In an election this close, where both parties are likely to get between 48 and 52% of the votes, this would mean ensuring the victory of the Republicans.

This is a huge problem with the FPTP system, but that's the law for this election. It would be great to change it, but that's talk for the next one. Voting for a third party ensures that the party you like the least will win in a FPTP system. CGP explains it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

Not quite accurate. Voting third party signals that third party platforms are more popular, and can shift the larger parties.

Maybe, but you are still conceding these elections.

Organizing and mass protesting can get meaningful change, same as striking. Forcing concessions is the way true change has occured historically, not simply at the ballot box.

You can definitely do this as well as voting for the party that best represents you. If you don't vote, it means you leave the choice of who will rule the country to the others. At least vote for the candidate that you think is more likely to listen to your protests, rather than forfeiting the elections in favor of the candidate that you know for sure will never listen to you.

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Holy false dichotomy, Batman!

Holding domestic non-fascist politicians accountable for enabling the war crimes of foreign fascists ≠ supporting domestic fascists.

[-] tory@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Republicans also support Israel. It's a terrible two party system. I'm not sure why we're pretending there's a difference here.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

The difference is Democrats only get mad at Trump for supporting israel.

Just imagine the fury we'd be seeing from liberals if it was orange man at the helm of the Genocide right now.

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[-] atro_city@fedia.io 12 points 5 months ago

Does lemmy.world really have that many USAmericans?

[-] CaliforniaKove@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago

Yes, it's actually insufferable

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

Yes, it's generally American Radical Liberals (not to be confused with leftists).

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 14 points 5 months ago

Where are you getting this from? Are there any stats available or something?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I would be interested to see, but it's fairly obvious when you visit Lemmy.world and 80% of posts are about US Electoral Politics, and the content of these posts generally is aligned with liberalism, not leftism.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 8 points 5 months ago

Just checked: yep, lots of posts about US politics :/ So annoying. I'm on mbin, so no way to block lemmy.world, but I do block every community/magazine dedicated to US politics.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Try saying Joe Biden is complicit in Genocide when he sends more weapons to israel, and find out how many people on .world appreciate the factually correct statement.

[-] CaliforniaKove@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's a guaranteed insta perma ban

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago

You're new here and don't seem to understand how things work. Take a moment to adjust and then look at how long Linkerban has been here.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

Vibes count as stats, right?

[-] CaliforniaKove@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Glad people is realizing how lw mods are and act.

Basically liberals and Zionists

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago

Those left on Lemmy.world either deny it or enjoy it.

[-] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago

The lemmy.world news mods are absolutely biased, break their own rules blatantly, and clearly support a left/far-left agenda.

That said, it's pretty unnecessary to hide genocide when the ICJ hasn't ruled one occurred yet.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 months ago

What do you mean that Lemmy.world is now "far-left?" They've always been extremely liberal, not left.

Additionally, we don't need to wait on the ICJ to see 200,000 dead Palestinians.

[-] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Please read more carefully. I did not say "is now..." and the civilian casualty count is nowhere near 200k but rather closer to 40k.

Edit: But I also agree they are liberal too.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Oh, so you just think liberalism is far-left, ie you're far-right, gotcha.

As for the causalties, estimates have put it at 186,000.

Edit: called it

[-] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Reuters vs Aljazeera... I wonder which is the more believable news source, particularly with regards to Israel events.

edit: Without getting into the weeds Liberalism and Left/Right are usually considered separate spectrums and the definition varies wildly depending on where you're from.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"Israel events?" This encompasses Palestinian deaths at the hands of Israel, calling it "Israel events" seems like suspicious framing.

Is the source the only part you take issue with, not the numbers?

Edit: Oh, you're a Zionist, no wonder

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Liberal Zionism is not left. Right-wing or far-right is where it is.

Not surprising a Zionist would show up to claim there's no Genocide and sprinkle in more disinformation.

[-] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 5 months ago

They hated him because he told the truth

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