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[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 203 points 11 months ago

The thing about Trump's whole political career that I find most incredible is that just about any one shitty thing he ever did, in isolation, would have been absolutely career ending for anyone else, or in the very least a massive, historically significant scandal. But with him? He just keeps the hits coming, so many disasters in such quick succession that none of them really have time to sink in, there's no time to really examine them because by the time you've really called him out, there's already some other stupid shit taking up the headlines.

Obama wore a tan suit, the News cycle freaked out. Obama asked for Dijon mustard on his burger, the news says he's hopelessly out of touch with the common people. These were SCANDALS in the public eye. Trump proposes just bombing Mexico... we have to go out of our way to point out that this is actually a big deal, because next week he'll have done something else completely insane.

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 51 points 11 months ago

It's partially that he does it so often and partially that many of the claims are so outlandish that no one takes them seriously. Like saying he'll bomb Mexico. On the one hand, "he says lots of shit" and on the other "Ok, he won't REALLY bomb Mexico. He's just saying that. Someone will stop him from bombing Mexico. "

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 16 points 11 months ago

And partially that education is pretty bad in red states so when Trump says stupid shit there's a lot of people dumber than him thinking "this guy knows what he's talking about." He's the idiots idea of a genius because he's the first politician dumb enough for them to understand.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

The media gatekeepers responsible for applying consequences through fatal stories aren't doing it to Trump because they have a vested interest in making sure politics doesn't become boring again.

[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 109 points 11 months ago

Trump saying something extremely irresponsible and stupid isn't newsworthy anymore.

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago

It should be. What purpose would this serve? No concern for life or process. It speaks directly to how Trump sees those he considers less than him. If he were president again, how long until he threatens to bomb an American state passing laws he doesn't like?

It's all fine and dandy when it's brown people, but what about working class people protesting for unions and workers rights? What about women standing united for the right to bodily autonomy? When the lgbtq community throws bricks again for getting arrested for existing in public? When women's suffrage is in question and people start taking hammers to windows and chaining themselves to railings?

Every single thing he says should be considered prelude to the worst impulses of an unhinged and irresponsible mad man with more power than most people on earth could possibly dream of.

[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Don-Old Trump also suggested drinking bleach to cure Covid and using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes.

He’s so irresponsibly weird— and also clinically insane

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 65 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I remember debating with my buddy (he's pro-Russia) about the Ruso-Ukrainian war when it broke out, and my saying how Russia invading Ukraine because of Nazi gangs is a pretty flim flam excuse for a land grab. "It would be like the US invading Mexico and seizing territory because of the drug cartels", I said. Why is my country this way.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Pretty cringe that you know someone who parrots Russian govt talking points though

[-] another@discuss.online 18 points 11 months ago

Every ML and hexbear

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

I guess. He's an Anarchocapitalist on every other day of the week. I just enjoy arguing amicably with people, and he does too, so our friendship works.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Ancap and staunch defender of authoritarian regimes?

[-] Samvega 16 points 11 months ago

Sound about right to me. Ancap is about capitalism with no limits, so it's an authoritarianism of money.

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

Tell me about it. Anyway, he's not under any illusions about how fucking backwards both the US and Russia's governments are, but he really believes that Russia's in the right on the matter of the war because there really are capital N Nazis that really are up to Nazi shit in Ukraine. As fucked as that genuinely is, imo I think that's just the flimsy pretense being used to justify a land grab, which is why I used the analogy of the US invading Mexico under the flimsy pretense of stopping the cartels. Well, here we fucking go, I guess.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

He does know about the Wagner Group, right? And why it's named that?

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[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I used to have friends like that.

Don’t count them as “friends” these people are friends until you become, gay, disabled etc. then they spit in your face.

It’s definitely a priviledge to be able to be friends with bigots.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Why is my country this way.

Wars are traditionally pitched as "defensive" from their native soil. Vietnam was justified by the Gulf of Tonkin incident. WW2 was justified by Pearl Harbor. Iraq and Afghanistan were justified by 9/11. Or Benghazi was for Libya. Etc, etc. Now Trump is arguing that cartel violence on the border justifies invading Mexico. Only a matter of time before they can point to a Missing White Woman or a drug bust or shoot out that can be used to justify moving troops over the border.

Russia isn't any less immune to this logic, and the War in the Donbas was as hot an issue to capitalize on as anything Americans experienced with Panama in the 80s or Cuba in the 60s.

Same with China and Taiwan. Or the civil wars in Sudan and Ethiopia. This isn't in any way a uniquely American problem.

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 52 points 11 months ago

How sad is it that I learned about Trump's plan to bomb Mexico not from American news media, but from alarmed Mexican friends.

[-] droans@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago

Mexico is our second largest trading partner. Both Canada and Mexico are our closest allies. They provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Hurricanes Katrina and Harvey.

I'm not worried that this would start a war. I'm worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Both Canada and Mexico are our closest allies. They provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Hurricanes Katrina and Harvey.

And yet, Trump routinely shits on both countries and his cultists just blindly fall in line.

I'm worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.

Don't worry, my American friend, we have already developed quite a bit of distrust in your country since 2016, and it's not likely to be repaired signifigantly until we see if y'all are willing to collectively and loudly reject trumpism and its related bullshit.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 15 points 11 months ago

Same sentiment from Europe. A narrow Kamala victory will be just a temporary relief.

Getting Trump elected has been a major victory for any enemies of the US, radicalizing the electorate and creating long lasting tensions and distrust,both internal and external.

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[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago

I’m worried it would cause permanent tension between two friends.

Significant tension with our Mexican neighbors is exactly what Trump, Desantis and other weirdo's rhetoric is causing. They're just trying gin up more hatred from their bizarre, poorly educated, toxic supporters and they don't get a fuck about anyone else.

Each time some GOP idiot talks about invading or bombing Mexico the news spreads like wildfire in Mexico while American news media ignores it almost completely. I repeatedly hear about bullshit the GOP freaks are spouting from my Mexican friends instead of reading about it in our own mainstream media.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago

So that's the plan, Mexico is going to be Trump's Poland.

[-] suzune@ani.social 2 points 11 months ago

What do you mean? Would it be the most subsidized country in the american region?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

Clearly history is not your strong suit, but you might look into something that happened in Poland back in 1939.

[-] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Right! I remember a group of Christian nationalists were the political party in control of some government around that time as well.

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 32 points 11 months ago

Republicans in 2028:

"We can't have an election during a war! The election is suspended until the war with Mexico* is over."

*-technically the war is with Mexican cartels, not the Mexican government, so as long as we say at least 1 cartel still exists the war isn't over.

[-] miak@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

War on Terror 2: Mariachi Madness

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

They'll pull a Reagan and start buying drugs from the cartels.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

So how come nobody is talking about it?

Indeed, Vox news. How come, indeed.

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[-] CareHare@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago
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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

It's quite amazing how the right adapted anti-war talking points, while they themselves are also warhawks.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

bart.jpg: What a weird thing to say.

[-] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

“Media source stunned by the utter lack of balance and journalistic ethics in reporting on the US Presidential campaign because clicks matter more than facts when it comes to profits, are shocked to find nobody else has done the right thing either”.

Ok, so now that they realize it what will they do?

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago
[-] sweaterpuppys@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Anyone got a link to video or audio of this?

[-] shplane@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Here's the best I could find- Trump's former Defense Secretary Mark Esper claimed in his book "A Sacred Oath" that Trump raised the idea of launching missiles into Mexico to combat drug cartels and proposed doing it covertly to avoid blame. Trump, when asked about this, did not deny the claim but instead chose to say "No comment"​ - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-esper-bomb-mexico-drug-labs-deny-b2074547.html

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

Trump's former Defense Secretary Mark Esper claimed in his book...

Once again these ghouls say nothing at the time and wait until they have a book to sell you.

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