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[-] Dlg@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

Y'all going to be real pissed off again.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I'm gonna be pissed off having to vote for Biden. I hate the two party system.

[-] cpo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Dutchie here. Not a fan of the multiparty system either. Anyone who hits the news (be it positive or negative) can start their own party if they get the number of party members required.

Result: we had to enlarge our voting billets.

[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

As an European can you explain what's so wrong about him? So many laws have been blocked by the opposition.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

With Biden? He's a capitalist with the wrong priorities. He's approved more new oil drilling than anyone else in recent memory, for example. If you're European, you would probably consider him center-right, and I don't believe that's the right direction for America. We need stronger social safety nets, better education, and really need to invest in Americans again.

Don't get me wrong, he's done a lot of good. He really has. But if we had ranked choice voting in this country, he absolutely would not have won. He does not represent most of us. But he represents most of us better than the other guy.

[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Center-right is what's currently governing my country, so an absolutely cannot place him there.

I should have probably specified better, don't know why I just said European. I am from Italy, we have "the protector of the traditional family values" in power and two days ago she slashed welfare and a month ago invalidated some birth certificates of children from same-sex parents.

Oil rigs are definitely something you don't hear about unless you live there, I understand. Wasn't clean energy an objective of him?

[-] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

It is a matter of perspective but center-right generally means some forms of welfare and capitalist regulations are still encouraged for very obvious cases, like anti-monopoly laws and basic healthcare.

What you're describing sounds more like plain right-wing. no welfare programs of any kind, invalidating progressive policies instead of maintaining status quo.

Biden made his whole career about cutting welfare programs and helping big corpos. He has shifted center in his former years, in part because the Democratic party now basically emcompass 75% of the political spectrum, since the GOP is now far-right, and everything left of that has to be absorbed by the democrats.

Biden is making decent compromise, thanks to his legacy with Obama and members of the party like Bernie and AOC, but he is way too moderate to enact the solutions that the country needs, imo.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's been a talking point since I was a fresh face high schooler over 30 years ago. It's been acted on only in very minor ways in that time. Nothing approaching what actually needed to be done.

[-] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I'll be voting for Cornel West. You could, too!

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately splitting the vote on the left is not the way avoid Trump further fucking up the country

[-] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

If everyone that says they hated the two party system would actually vote third party then we'd actually have a third party.

Biden doesn't deserve my vote and I live in a red state. I'd vote for Cornel West even if I lived in a purple state, however, because I'm done propping up the least worst candidates.

Nether the dems not the republicans represent the working class and they can all get fucked.

[-] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 22 points 1 year ago

I get where you're coming from, but a historic election like this is probably not the one for that action. It's not run-of-the-mill "historic", either.

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

I agree, but lesser of two evils and all that. I’m Canadian so I don’t vote for either.

We have our own FPTP problems, but at least with a huge section of the country (Quebec) always voting in their federal party it allows room for the NDP in the rest of Canada.

Fuckin’ Trudeau ran on election reform then dropped it and legalized weed. So I have mixed feelings about the guy.

[-] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Voting for the lesser of two evils is how Trudeau got into power.

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

That’s always how it is in a FPTP system. It was always going to be either the Conservatives or Liberals and the Conservatives keep offering laughably bad candidates. Although, as both those parties shift further right the NDP may have a chance in the distant future.

All I’m saying is at least there’s room for other parties thanks to Quebec’s stubbornness. (I mean that in the most loving way)

[-] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah I tossed my vote in the trash in 2016 like a fucking moron and I’ll never do that agin.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

So you want a Trump presidency. Why?

[-] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Do you, but appealing to idealism instead of staving off fascism is bad praxis.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Why, you think he's going to win?

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

It would be consistent with him getting away with all of the other obviously blatant shit he has done before.

[-] Dlg@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I hope so. The economy can't take much more.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Economy's doing great under Biden. You need to stop listening to Fox.

[-] Dlg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well my pay check does a lot less. I work in oil and gas industry. We are not starving but the cost of everything has went up.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Inflation has been a global phenomenon. Do you think Biden controls the entire world? Any guesses as to what happened globally?

Back to the point, the US economy is fine.

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[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The economy is kicking ass right now

[-] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

Mid term election should have been a right wing blow out and it wasn't, that's pretty foreboding for Trump

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

That's certainly a way to look at it. Not wrong either.

[-] Mookulator@wirebase.org 9 points 1 year ago

Pretty par for the economist. Not the same take as every other news outlet, not exactly the take I agree with on all points, but not totally wrong either.

[-] Lammy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago
[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

We also get to see how badly he loses the popular vote.

[-] Lammy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Currently looks unlikely 😓

[-] elliothtz@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago
[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The main problem with that analogy is that juries hear all the evidence before making their decision.

But MAGA voters will never hear the facts on these cases, because they live exclusively in a media bubble that feeds them lies and truly moronic conspiracy theories.

This country is not okay.

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The main problem with that analogy is that juries hear all the evidence before making their decision.

No. They are SUPPOSED to hear all the evidence. Reality and expectation are different things.

Voters are supposed to hear all of the facts. But reality and expectation are different things.

The analogy works great.

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[-] fubo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[-] Mookulator@wirebase.org 3 points 1 year ago
[-] Unaware7013@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Link is still dead or dead again homie.

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[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago

Article is paywalled after two paragraphs

[-] Llcooljessie@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

The Economist always has one eye on the bottom line.

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