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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 135 points 1 month ago

The cycle continues:

  • Hey you guys can have everything for free
  • WTF this is expensive to provide, I think I’m gonna start taking advantage of you guys which someone will pay me to do
  • WTF where’s everyone going
  • WTF I’m still losing money and always have been
  • Screw you guys, screw everybody, I didn’t want y’all anyway
  • (fades into irrelevance, gets bought by someone and stripped for parts)

Idk it’s not as pithy as Cory Doctorow’s version I guess

Anyway we’re at step 5 at this point

[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 88 points 1 month ago

Yeah, Reddit is Digging its own grave.

[-] zcd@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

It's getting Fark'd

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

honestly I'm not convinced step 6 is inevitable. I think enough people are okay with whatever reddit does.

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago

The key capitalistic trick is to time your step 2 just when you have a critical mass on your platform. Upper management has understood that our shitty paywall will remove x% of our users from our platform. But if (100-x)% of our users can pay $y annually, we can sustain our business model and make $z of profit each year. PR will take care of all the backlash but it's all calculated.

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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 105 points 1 month ago

Tangentially related- I fucking hate discord

[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 72 points 1 month ago

Discord is fine for chatting, voice, and iterating quickly on projects. I have no idea why people want to think it's a forum. That's ridiculous.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Its pretty awful for all those things if you care about privacy or can't signup for an account

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

also not searchable at all. its an information blackhole.

[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Obviously you would need an account to use it.

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[-] Lennnny@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

We use it for our friend group, as we have pub nights, group meals, vacations etc. we also all do each other's cat care when we're out of town, so we have a channel devoted to pet photos etc. works well enough for us.

[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Exactly. That's a great use for it.

[-] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Unpopular opinion: I never liked discord for chatting either. I found it strangely confusing trying to keep track of logins for each group

Edit: I am indeed thinking of slack

[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

? Discord has one log in.

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

You may be thinking of Slack

[-] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 month ago

I fucking hate discord

It's Cancer, have an upvote.

[-] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago

thanks to them for making my deredditification that much easier!

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 48 points 1 month ago

The only way they get my clicks now are when I Google something and they come up.

They really keep making sure that I don't end up there.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 18 points 1 month ago

libredirect helps with that on desktop

(browser extension that turns links to sites like reddit, youtube, etc into links to redlib, invidious)

[-] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 month ago

Too bad. Hey, crazy idea: let's create an open alternative for reddit with good content! Maybe something in the fediverse or so.

[-] _g_be@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I think you're onto something

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

that would never work

[-] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago

There are numerous occasions where someone has a lingering question on Reddit that I see and know the answer to. It’s too bad it’s on Reddit because I no longer contribute to that website, and refuse to.

[-] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

All the decent answers I find are from 5+ years ago. I check the user’s activity and they normally quit the place. Warms the heart.

[-] moe90@feddit.nl 20 points 1 month ago

just begin with site:reddit.com test for ddg and it still works

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago

Are they new posts or old ones? They are blocking new ones, not old ones.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 18 points 1 month ago

new posts do not work

this post in /r/selfhosted is from 8hr ago: SWEKIT v0.1 - an open source library to build software engineering agents (DEVIN) in a agentic framework agnostic manner!

reddit/redlib: https://redlib.kylrth.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1eb86lf/swekit_v01_an_open_source_library_to_build/

doesn’t appear in DDG results: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Areddit.com+SWEKIT+v0.1+-+an+open+source+library+to+build+software+engineering+agents+%28DEVIN%29+in+a+agentic+framework+agnostic+manner%21&t=ffit

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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Based on my testing if you filter results by the last week or last day you get nothing. Past month works.

[-] Mereo@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

For old posts. I can't find new posts on DDG. I find them on Google but not on DDG.

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[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

LMAO searching "____ reddit" is the only time I visit their site.

They just really have no clue.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

The users who wrote the content are going to get a share of the money, right Reddit? Riiight? /s

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Would lemmy instances do this?

I know they can't afford to now, but hypothetically? A lot of people here don't seem to like data scraping for AI.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Your Lemmy posts are already being scraped for AI

The level of effort it would take to prevent would be infeasible to ask of even a non volunteer admin let alone a volunteer let alone literally all of them

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Your Lemmy posts are already being scraped for AI

Good, hopefully it’ll make AI that is slightly less toxic than the rest of the internet.

It always baffles me that people don’t want their content represented in an AI - every word you write that gets indexed is a vote for how future AI will behave.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

That's what I figured, but I am envisioning a future where lemmy is huge and the network of admins is quite sizable.

I guess that doesn't change much?

[-] epyon22@programming.dev 17 points 1 month ago
  1. Run Lemmy instance
  2. Gain userbase
  3. Intercept data users are reading and posting from your instance and others
  4. Feed to AI
  5. Profit?

Lemmy is way less privacy oriented than reddit and that's by design.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 4 points 1 month ago

It's structural - you can be open or locked down, and it's hard to decentralize if you're not open

You can make it easier or harder to work with that data, but ultimately it's obsfucation - you could make it hard to parse and obscure details, but ultimately if you want decentralized federation you can't hide too much

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You don't need to scrape. If you want to get all the content on Lemmy, just set up an instance and subscribe to all the top communities, and the instances will just send you all the content.

So there isn't really a way to monetise or block it. I guess you could only federate to a whitelist, but the biggest instances will federate by default with any new instances until they are given a reason to defederate.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

Some Lemmy instances disallow indexing in robots.txt, however indexers can choose to ignore that and actually blocking them takes a lot more effort.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Some places on a "budget" like Ao3 just rate limit hard.

I don't like that solution at all though.

[-] Unchanged3656@infosec.pub 8 points 1 month ago

Brave search got an option for that.

[-] moe90@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

begin with site:reddit.com test is much more accurate to get reddit search on brave search tbh

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 2 points 1 month ago

We need that for DDG. Opt-in, of course, but with a banner that makes it clear why is that really needed

[-] 2001zhaozhao@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Someone should make this feature but for ALL public web content you browse. Just download an extension to share the content of pages you browse to everyone (with cross-checking for accuracy), and you can view a fair share of what others have shared based on how much you contributed to the platform yourself. Basically crowd-sourced, unblockable web scraping.

[-] Happywop@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

So glad I found this alternative. reddit, mods are psychos and the average user not much better

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