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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 300 points 3 months ago

Kind of.

Harris: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678

Sanders: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357

There are some who voted ideologically closer. But the fact that she’s somewhere between Sanders and Warren is reassuring.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

That's a crazy helpful site. Thanks for sharing.

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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 201 points 3 months ago

the desperate mud slinging from the GOP is going to be hilarious. i'll never forget when they tried to shit on AOC because she was caught gasp dancing in some student project music video.

and god-fucking-forbid anyone ever tends bar for money

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 104 points 3 months ago

They're just mad that she's an attractive young POC

[-] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 86 points 3 months ago

They hate women so much, it's crazy.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

Especially women of color.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 43 points 3 months ago

They’re just mad ~~that she’s an attractive young person of colour~~

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

It’s all manufactured outrage. In reality they don’t give a fuck since they are all dead inside. It’s the tan suit scandal all over again. If they have zero qualms with Melania being a former nude model and Trump’s infidelity then them being mad about someone dancing is all just theatrics. It means they have nothing on her.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 89 points 3 months ago

Scandalous! clutches pearls

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago

never seen this clip before, i have been getting the wrong political gifs

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago

She's still got it!

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago

What the fuck, is that a woman having fun? Dems are absolute degenerates, unbelievable. She's smiling. What is wrong with you people?

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 45 points 3 months ago

they see no problem lambasting this, while voting for pornstar hush money paying con man rapist

[-] BlorpTheHagraven@startrek.website 14 points 3 months ago

Well, he's a man.

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[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 months ago

This better not turn me into a socialist or something

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Resistance is futile. Surrender to the glory of Socialist Mommy.

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 months ago

I hold no doubt in my heart that they absolutely hated this because they found her hot.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 months ago

she's undeniably super attractive, but what they hate most is that they fear her. they know that she will humiliate any one of them in a debate, and people love her for it. so they lash out and talk about her bartending days, thinking that it's an attack because that's just how fucking dumb they are

[-] Schmuppes@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

She is. And that video was.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

I'm surprised Project 2025 doesn't call for a ban on dancing.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

What was Boebert doing before she got her GED at like 30?

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[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 70 points 3 months ago

is this true? I know nothing about US politics, but everything I hear from/about Bernie makes him sound awesome.

[-] puppetx@lemmy.world 51 points 3 months ago

As a fan of Bernie this fantastic news, I want to hug the scroll if it can be corroborated.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I would imagine it depends a lot on how you quantify things, there's all sorts of procedural votes and "renaming a post office" bills with no real substance that you could reasonably argue should or shouldn't be included, to say nothing of ranking the partisan quality of different legislation (like, if Sanders and Harris both voted the same way in a routine budget bill that got unanimous support, should that count the same as them voting the same on some legislation he sponsored that failed or something?).

That all said, this CNN article I found from 2020 makes it sound more true than not, but there's some nuance - tl;dr, at the start of her career as a state AG she did some more conservativ-ish things, but she's been consistently more and more progressive since then.

My personal opinion is that she's willing to change her positions a lot if she thinks that's where voters are going, which isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than the last generation of Democratic leaders who are also willing to change their positions a lot but think voters are way more conservative than they actually are (because that generation is still stuck in the 1980s). Kamala didn't start talking about Medicare for All until Bernie made it popular, but when he did she didn't have a problem jumping on board (unlike Biden, who would only ever go as far as public option).

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[-] VonCesaw@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

Bernie is pushing for what is standard governmental procedures in areas of Europe like France, Germany, Sweden, or Norway

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Should be noted that these kind of statistics are typically heavily influenced by the sheer number of garbage bills like what to rename a post office. Specific major issues is more the problem actual voters have.

[-] kofe@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

If the stats lean closer to Bernie's record than others (I'd have to do some research to see, but let's assume) then it's still more of an indication she'll be better than the others she's being compared to on major issues. Biden is on record saying he wouldn't sign a bill for universal healthcare, but he's still better than Trump overall.

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[-] naught101@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Shouldn't those garbage bills have basically the same votes from nearly all democrat senators? So they wouldn't really affect the differences that much, right?

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[-] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

Whoa, really? Is there somewhere I can verify this?

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

It's not accurate. But she did vote closer to him than most other Democrats.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 24 points 3 months ago

Oh shit is she a secret progressive???

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 60 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

She's a good person and a political pragmatist, who is willing to concede a point to gain ten. She has, like most intelligent adults, evolved farther and farther left to embrace reality.

(While those in the the Wrong Wing cling to their assorted bigotries and boogiemen, as they lose all grip on sanity and embrace a venal madman as their Savior.)

For what it's worth, I've helped her in a retail context and she was the good kind of customer.

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

Damn. A good customer in a retail setting. Now that's how I know someone's an actual good person. Having worked like 10 years of retail front line, that alone make me want to vote for her more. Lol.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 3 months ago

For what it's worth, I've helped her in a retail context and she was the good kind of customer.

Not that I needed more reason than "let's not have fascism", but that's a big endorsement to me.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Good person? Good Lord tap the brakes people. She was a prosecutor.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago

Yes, it was her job, and she did it effectively. She also fought against a measure allowing juveniles to be tried in adult court, but she lost that one.

Let's see, prosecutor or felon, prosecutor or felon, which should I vote for? (Remember, we're not talking about a weed felony or stealing food for a starving family here.)

I'll take Kamala any day. And if Trump walked in the front door where I was working retail, I'd walk out the back.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

She was never secret about it. She just got painted as a hard conservative in the 2020 primaries.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

Not exactly secret, most of the stuff progressives find objectionable are basically just she had a job that progressives attach to systemic problems and didn't throw her career away by not doing it to be a better progressive.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 months ago

It's cute that you still think the Sanders trolls care about Bernie Sanders.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Man I was so frustrated being called a "bernie bro" when more Bernie supporters turned out for Hillary Clinton, including me, than did Hillary Clinton supporters turn out for Barack Obama in 2008. I was tired when national head-to-head polling consistently showed Bernie Sanders outperforming Hillary against Donald Trump. Yet was shoved aside by the same sort of folks who insisted without merit that Biden should stay in the race. Quite literally some of the same people, including former Clinton strategists or the former DNC Chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Even feminist leaders like Steinem and Albright claiming young women were just with Bernie because of the boys in a painfully ironic attack... It showed their true colors. The same bullshit patronizing platitudes. Alas, I am quite shocked Democrats actually organically adapted to new data. I'm honestly thrilled.

Don't get me wrong, I know there were trolls; I know there were astroturfers, and it got far worse in 2020. But anyone who actually went to a Bernie rally and conversed with real supporters knew that campaign was the most organic vibrant loving community since Obama's first run, if not more so. Alas, we missed an opportunity.

I would then go on to support Elizabeth Warren in 2020; I would ultimately then go on to vote for Biden.

I am quite happy with her record matching Bernie. Seems like a good sign. I'll be supporting Harris and I'm HOPING Mark Kelly as her running-mate.

[-] knova@infosec.pub 14 points 3 months ago

Well said.

Don’t get me wrong, I want to burn the Democratic Party to the ground for how they evaporated enthusiastic (mostly) young voters who were aligned with what Sanders was saying in 2016 and 2020. But I won’t allow fascism to be re-elected in my pursuit of that goal.

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[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

I'm all for Kamala. What the coconut refers to.

https://youtu.be/ZiRSLYV1X4A?si=UCrlCkZBV4kVpGtU

[-] ech@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

Am I crazy to think he'd be a great VP pick?

[-] derek@infosec.pub 19 points 3 months ago

Crazy? No. The timing and optics would be wrong since Sanders wouldn't help Harris' campaign play to its advantages. Finding younger candidates with consistent and (hopefully) progressive records, who aren't currently targets for the Right, and who hold little political baggage, is a better play.

By the same reasoning I think Newsom and Buttigieg aren't good picks even though they'd do well in the role. The new Dem Pres campaign should make sure the Right's propagandists have to work hard at effective attack ads. Running any Left-Wing Face misses this initiative.

For context: I'm still bitter about Bernie being pushed out of previous Presidential campaign runs, still think he was the best choice both times, and know he'd make a great VP.

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

The age is still an issue. He would be better as an advisor of some kind.

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