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The rule of growth (i.imgur.com)

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I’d like to thank the admins for being so open and direct about the issues that they’re facing.

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[-] ada 13 points 2 years ago

I laughed :)

[-] supakaity 9 points 2 years ago

Oh goodness, why is this so funny? lol.

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[-] unlawfulbooger 4 points 2 years ago

Yay!

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[-] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 96 points 2 years ago

To be fair, with a proper autoscaling scheme in place these services should scale down significantly when not in use.

That being said, a big reason for using AWS/GCP is all the additional services that are available on the platform.. If the workload being run isn't that complicated, the hyperscalers are probably overkill. Even DO or Linode would be a better option under those circumstances.

[-] Overmind@lemmy.sdf.org 71 points 2 years ago

This. AWS architect here. There are a lot of ways to reduce pricing in AWS like horizontal scaling, serverless functions, reserved instances. Most people aren't aware of it and if you're going to dive in head first into something like cloud, you'll need to bear the consequences and then learn eventually.

[-] greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 2 years ago

Even with ASGs, ec2 costs a bomb for performance.

And "serverless" functions are a trap.

If you're gonna commit to reserved instances, just buy hardware for goodness sake, its a 3 year commitment with a huge upfront spend.

[-] rolaulten@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

You can do one year dedicated spend.

But yes. Serverless is a trap to be avoided.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

Mark my words the loop is coming back around. I look forward to when my work migrates the datacenter off AWS back on prem because of ballooning costs.

You work in IT long enough you see it for the joke it is. We get paid obscene amounts of money to do what amounts to nothing.

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[-] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

Yep. And if you want to really save some cash and don't mind getting a little crazy, use an EKS node orchestrator that supports spot instances. I'm starting to do a serious dive into Harness at the moment actually.

Google recently released a white paper on cost saving in kubernetes as well.

[-] Toribor@corndog.social 3 points 2 years ago

If you've got a kubernetes cluster running on 10 different spot instances, isn't there a risk that all ten could be revoked at the same time? Even if they are built out across regions and availability zones?

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[-] Toribor@corndog.social 4 points 2 years ago

I'm in a similar boat. I'm a sysadmin supporting a legacy application running on AWS EC2 instances and a new 'serverless' microservice based platform as well. It's really really hard to scale and optimize anything running on EC2s unless you really know what you're doing or the application is designed with clustering in mind.

You tend to end up sizing instances based on peak load and then wasting capacity 90% of the time (and burning through cash like crazy). I can imagine a lot of Lemmy admins are overspending so fast they give up before they figure it out.

[-] Dasnap@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Nowadays I feel like EC2 is either used for legacy support or testing. Most prod nowadays should probably be built with some kind of container solution so you can scale it easier.

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[-] penguin@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago

AWS is perfect for large operations that value stability and elasticity over anything else.

It's very easy to just spin up a thousand extra servers for momentary demand or some new exciting project. It's also easy to locate multiple instances all over the world for low latency with your users.

If you know you're going to need a couple servers for years and have the hardware knowhow, then it's cheaper to do it yourself for sure.

It's also possible to use aws more efficiently if you know all of their services. I ran a small utils website for my friends and I on it a while ago and it was essentially free since the static files were tiny and on s3 and the backend was lambda which gives you quite a few free calls before charging.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 16 points 2 years ago

Habit (guess). Its what is used professionally, despite being proven over and over that cost-per-speed is terrible compared to less known providers.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

If the average Web engineer's salary capable of running a site like this is ~$180,000, then a $30,000 difference in cost is only about 2 months salary. Learning and dealing with a new hosting environment can easily exceed that.

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[-] virtualbriefcase@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

That, and like others mentioned their flexibility, plus the fact that they're fairly reliable (maybe less than some good Iaas providers but a fair bit more than your consumer vps places). Moments ago I went to the hetzner site to check them out and got:

Status Code 504 Gateway Timeout

The upstream server failed to send a request in the time allowed by the server. If you are the Administrator of the Upstream, check your server logs for errors.

Annoying if it's you nextloud instance down for a minutes, but a worthy trade off if you're paying 1/4 of the price. Extremely costly for big business or even risking peoples's lives for a few different very important systems.

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[-] Oha@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago

Hetzner ftw

[-] jessica 8 points 2 years ago

Hetzner is one of the most cost effective but I recommend always checking serverhunter before choosing

[-] c1177johuk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

AWS is mostly only useful for large companies who need one hosting provider for all their needs, with every single product tightly integrated into other products

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Hmm like SAP, but less sucky

[-] CertifiedBlackGuy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Holy fuck SAP sucks ass

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It does, but that comes with the territory. SAP is the IBM mainframe of business software. You'll be hard-pressed to find a large multinational which don't run SAP... or have a couple of IBM mainframes to run it on. The kind of "large" which means that they don't have IT departments but IT subsidiaries, probably created by buying up a couple of tech consultancies. You know like Samsung buying Joyent, saying "never mind your public platform you'll be busy enough hosting all our data we're the only customer you'll ever need".

[-] hawkwind@lemmy.management 5 points 2 years ago

The pricing scheme here is designed to gouge businesses for equal or more than the traditional non-cloud equivalent. Which happens to be completely unaffordable. Imagine buying a new enterprise grade server for your home setup.

[-] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net 4 points 2 years ago

The only advantage would come if you could rewrite lemmy to be serverless

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[-] Merlin@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Can you point the everyone else? Just out of curiosity. I know there’s digital ocean but I’m not quite sure they’re cheaper than azure/aws

[-] jessica 7 points 2 years ago

For the past 5 years i just check server hunter and get the specs I want: https://www.serverhunter.com

Before that, my preferred 'everyone else' was OVH.

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[-] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 76 points 2 years ago

Figure 1: Human discovers that hosting a web service for hundreds of thousands of users is expensive.

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[-] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

“Biggest node” by what metric? A 10€/mo VPS will typically be time-sliced 10% of a single modern CPU core with 8GB shared memory that can maybe handle a few dozen concurrent users.

Meanwhile, to get to $27,000/mo on EC2 you’d need to be using 10 instances of 128-core 256GB machines with quad 2TB SSDs. So either whoever priced the AWS quote massively over-provisioned compared to their real demand, or Feddit is an incredibly tiny node by comparison. The reality is probably a combination of the two.

[-] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 39 points 2 years ago

Hetzner crowd says hi!

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[-] franglais@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago

Oracle free tier, 4arm cores, 200gb storage, 24gb ram, zero money's spent

[-] mplewis@lemmy.globe.pub 33 points 2 years ago

Oracle is all fun and games until they lose your instance’s IP or data and don’t give it back because you’re a free tier freeloader.

[-] franglais@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

That sounds like the bitter expression of regret and experience.

[-] hyper@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

thats why you make backups and update the dns records 😎

[-] mplewis@lemmy.globe.pub 12 points 2 years ago

I do enough of this in the day job. I don’t have time to mess around with free hosting to save $20 a month.

[-] pinkfootedgoose@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Amen.

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[-] Stahlreck@feddit.ch 18 points 2 years ago

No catch? Especially with Oracle? Hard to believe kinda, nothing is ever "free".

[-] franglais@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

It's a great deal, if you stay small, the idea is a loss leader, they temp you in and you set up your service, then when you need to scale up, they charge the extras.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why don't you migrate to cheaper providers like Hetzner? I mean AWS is extremely expensive for what they are and I am pretty sure there are hundreds of people out here who will willingly help you set it up.

[-] wtry@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago

I host mine on my home wifi

[-] showmustgo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I'm in your walls

[-] wtry@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

I thought that was a rat colony

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[-] w00tabaga@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Rome wasn’t built in a day

[-] SaveComengs@lemmy.federa.net 11 points 2 years ago

linode whenthe

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