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submitted 3 months ago by kashifshah@lemmy.sdf.org to c/world@lemmy.world

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In a historic ruling the International Court of Justice has found multiple and serious international law violations by Israel towards Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including, for the first time, finding Israel responsible for apartheid. The court has placed responsibility with all states and the United Nations to end these violations of international law. The ruling should be yet another wake up call for the United States to end its egregious policy of defending Israel’s oppression of Palestinians and prompt a thorough reassessment in other countries as well.

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[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 77 points 3 months ago

I can’t wait for the World Court Super Sayan Action Rangers to head down there and straighten Israel out

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 56 points 3 months ago

International diplomacy is complicated and the WC may technically be powerless to enforce a judgment but... this still does matter.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 41 points 3 months ago

Help carry out the conviction notice of Israeli leadership by supporting BDS. No one will care about Israel when they’re broke.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 12 points 3 months ago
[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 months ago

Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, political movement that advocates boycotting Israel in support of the rights of Palestinian people

[-] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 20 points 3 months ago

Don't you know that choosing not to buy products made under an aprtheid regime or by companies profitting of genocide is literally Hitler?!

At least that is what many US states and Germany want us to believe.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 3 months ago

Isn’t this illegal now in America?

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 14 points 3 months ago

it is now illegal to not buy things. CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME!!!

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

land of the free

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 points 3 months ago

In a way:

Most anti-BDS laws have taken one of two forms: contract-focused laws requiring government contractors to promise that they are not boycotting Israel; and investment-focused laws, mandating public investment funds to avoid entities boycotting Israel.

Very strange to have government contractors and managers of public funds swearing an oath to protect a different country. Similar situation in the UK. Interestingly enough, this is another case of "birds of a feather flock together":

On May 17, 2019, right-wing populist party Alternative for Germany sponsored a bill "Condemn the BDS movement – protect the existence of the State of Israel" (19/9757) to ban the BDS movement nationally.

[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This right here is why I walked away from my species.

The less help, empathy and respect you need, the more you get.

From my perspective, that makes us monsters.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

A global judicial body unrecognized is effectively moot. You, me, and a few other here on Lemmy could all denounce any nation's treatment of others but that wouldn't mean much. We'd just be some random people complaining on the Internet.

Legitimacy and respect are critical to any court. Without them the courts have no merit.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

It has legitimacy and respect. What it doesn't have is enforcement. That's left to individual states

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Seemingly not among the involved party. What punishment can flow for this crime and the court's finding that wouldn't be levied otherwise.

The indica of respect and legitimacy of a court is if their rulings are abided. Convince Israel a court with no Israelis should be the final arbitrator of their nations course of acts.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

If you've shifted your claim to "Israel doesn't respect the ICJ" then yeah of course, they clearly have no respect for international law but that is a very different claim to what you posted earlier

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

For the sake of clarity is my claim is that most nations won't accept the legitimacy of any ICJ ruling against them as there is no practicable means of holding a nation to account. A judiciary without an executive is an exercise in futility.

There is no crime without a consequence.

Any nation at the point of which informed reasonable third parties declare them to have committed war crimes isn't likely to just slap their knee and say "you know what, my bad" after a ICJ ruling.

It's one thing to respect the ICJ when you are a third party. It's another when you are in the nation subject.

If the ICJ declared that many European countries violated human rights by not allowing criminals defendants to face their accusors, I doubt many of them would reform their justice system.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Ah well again, that's a different claim. The court is respected but everyone knows they have no enforcement powers. Their strength is entirely diplomatic

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 points 3 months ago

I think what's missing here is the existence of legal precedence. The UN had an arms embargo on apartheid South Africa starting in the 70s, so there's precedent for that.

Fun fact: Israel violated the South Africa arms embargo. Big time.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Clearly, enforcement is the weak part of international law.

Soooooo surprised to find Israel working against the international community thou :-)

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Well not with that attitude.

[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

This is the ICJ, not the ICC.

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