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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by sunglocto@lemmy.zip to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

I guess this is a cautionary tale.

I was recently having issues with my Gmail account that's tied to my Epik ( a domain registrar ) account, so when I was supposed to renew my domain, I didn't receive any e-mails about it. When I decided to randomly check on my website, it seemed to be down. So I checked Epik and a domain that usually cost £15 a year to renew now cost £400 to renew as it was expired.

As a teenager who does not have £400 to spend on a domain, I decided to just wait until the domain fully expired and buy it for a cheaper price.

After some time, the domain fully expired and GoDaddy decided to buy it as soon as it did, and charged me £2,225 to renew the domain. I don't understand how a price that large is justified, considering that my website gets barely any visitors and I basically only use the domain for hosting stuff. No idea how hiking prices this much is legal

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[-] joeldebruijn@lemmy.ml 95 points 4 months ago

Got a work related variant, a 3 letter domain we really liked was registered by a person asking a couple of hundred bucks or so. Which really was a good deal and we were more then happy to pay.

Our IT department advised guiding the transfer themselves. Instead our marketing department went ahead anyway and just agreed to "you end your subscription and after that we register it" ... instead of using transfer codes.

In the minutes between, a bulk claimer snatched it away.

[-] AlwaysTheir@lemmy.one 42 points 4 months ago

OMG. I can't believe the marketing department was that inept. Tragic

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 25 points 4 months ago

Honestly I believe it. I had a VP of sales / marketing overriding requirements making them more difficult from the CEO after getting screamed at by the CEO who wanted the product (bono project) to be quick and easy for initial release.

He also ordered IT garbage for a site once (consumer PCs running Windows not server edition)

And to top it all off went behind supervisors backs in engineering departments asking for daily spreadsheets trackong their time because "if you can go to the bathroom you have time for this.

All leadership was toxic though like the CEO screaming at him lol.

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[-] tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net 8 points 4 months ago

LMAO they really are inept 🤦‍♂️

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 95 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

After some time, the domain fully expired and GoDaddy decided to buy it as soon as it did, and charged me £2,225 to renew the domain. I don't understand how a price that large is justified, considering that my website gets barely any visitors and I basically only use the domain for hosting stuff. No idea how hiking prices this much is legal

GoDaddy is known to do that.

Technically, they're not hiking the price. GoDaddy ~~bought~~ scalped it after it expired and then is re-selling it at an astronomically higher price. It's one of the many, many reasons people hate them.

I'm ashamed to say I still have a couple of domains with GD that I haven't migrated yet. This post might just light a fire under me to get that done.

tldr - lesson learned. buy a new domain and move over to it.

but for those who want to learn something new - you are only renting your domains. If you fail to pay by the registration date then you generally get a grace period to pay more money to renew it. If you fail to pay before that period expires then the domain will be released. Some companies like godaddy will automatically buy the domain for another year (or more). But even if Godaddy doesn't then it still goes up on a list of expiring domains and there are backorder services that will try to buy the domain or auction them off.

So in the end it doesn't really matter what registrar you use. If you do not pay, it goes back to a list where people can see it is expiring and then you'll get some people who either want to legitimately use that domain or more likely they are wanting to try to sell it to you or someone else for more than they buy it for.

And I saw someone mention file a complaint. I'm sorry to say that if you did not have money to renew the domain then you aren't going to be able to do that either. This is called Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) and the fee is between $1500-4000 for 1 to 5 domains.. Additionally, just because you file a complaint does not mean the issue will be resolved favorably or timely. These complaints can last years, and there is no guarantee you will get the domain back.

This is why you should always pay your domain rental fee. And if you don't, then you need to either be willing to pay a ton of money to get it back or you will need to move on. Sorry its a tough lesson to learn but if you're just a student then you probably weren't using this to run a business or anything so in the end you are quite fortunate.

[-] TedZanzibar@feddit.uk 62 points 4 months ago

Make an offer of $0.01. Assuming the responses aren't automated, every time they reject it, raise the offer by 1c. Keep doing it till you hit the $15 mark and then just stop. It could waste literal years of their time.

[-] hactar42@lemmy.ml 44 points 4 months ago

Reminds me of a guy I knew who kept getting letters for a $10 parking fine he got while at university. He waited until they spent more in postage than the fine before paying it.

[-] deltapi@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

My last year of uni I was broke. The previous year the parking passes had red letters, that year purple. That was the only difference. The colour. I traced over all the letters of my previous parking pass with a blue sharpie and parked for free all year.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 4 months ago

Automated numberplate recognition systems have spoilt so much fun.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

Nice hacking mate.

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 56 points 4 months ago

I have my dream domain. It was being squatted for a similar amount. I offered £100 and it was declined, I offered £250 and they replied to tell me the domain is easily worth the £2K, well sort after etc. I told them that this is my surname, and I'm not a corporation with unlimited funds and they can take the offer or leave it. 15 minutes later the offer was accepted. I was so happy. Still am chuffed about it.

[-] Entropywins@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Where does the surname nooblet hail from?

[-] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago
[-] 5redie8@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

Home of the noobles

[-] ChapulinColorado@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Dang, I used to use Nooblet when playing crysis wars a long time ago. All the flying tanks kind of ruined it after a while, but it was nice to find a moderated server running Savanah and Battleground which had the Helis and VTOLs…

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 53 points 4 months ago

Aaahh capitalism. This is what business school graduates call "innovation" and "smart".

But seriously, I'm sorry that happened to you. It's predatory, abusive, and wrong.

[-] fellowmortal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Don't pay this! You just reinforce their predatory practices. How renewals at much higher prices are allowed - no clue!

Something similar happened to a company I know - it expired and was immediately bought by domain squatters, when they found them they were told that it couldn't be sold back because the squatter had paid $XXXX for and had big plans (I assume it was BS, just a premise to get paid - no site was ever put on the domain)

Solution: they bought the .org version and bought the .com back a year later.

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[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 44 points 4 months ago

I simply don't get why domain squatting is legal. On my ccTLD it is absolutely illegal meaning you have to forfeit the domain if you don't use it anymore.

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[-] dukatos@lemm.ee 44 points 4 months ago

I knew GoDaddy is somehow involved as soon as I saw the title.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

network solutions does this too, search a domain on their site, comeback a month and now they own it and will sell it to you of course. not sure if they still do,but I know for fact they did years back.

[-] gencha@lemm.ee 35 points 4 months ago

Buy a different domain. Let them pay for this one until the end of time.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 months ago

This happened to me years ago (the .com of my full name). I kept checking in at expiry date for 3 years and they eventually let it expire, so I bought it back for normal price.

[-] BinaryUnit@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

This ☝️it happened to me and to a close friend, if you are reselient and can wait it is possible to but it back at regular price

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Hopefully it’s not a common last name + a first name that suddenly became popular, could imagine it getting scooped by someone else.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 31 points 4 months ago

You can file a complaint if they just squat on it. Godaddy is terrible

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

I've always wondered how well that actually works. Anyone go through this process?

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 5 points 4 months ago

I tried to get a squatted .UK domain through this process. Nominet are the authority for these domains. After acknowledging the request to both parties, I am then asked to pay £100 to assign a mediator. I guess this puts off frivolous requests, but it put me off going further.

[-] grandma@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago

Damn you reminded me to check my gmail and there was a domain renewal reminder, thanks!

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Lesson learned, they regularly do this if you have a website that one of their crawlers hit as active. If you really care about it check in about a year later, chances are if you havent inquired within a year they'll release the domain and you can pay normal sale price for it

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[-] cupcakezealot 5 points 4 months ago

if only we listened to spencer's advice. always listen to spencer's advice.

[-] PassingThrough@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Now would be a good time to look for a .com you like, or one of the more common TLDs. And register it at Namecheap, Porkbun, or Cloudflare. (Cloudflare is cheapest but all-eggs-in-one-basket is a concern for some.)

Sadly, all the cheap or fun TLDs have a habit of being blocked wholesale, either because the cheap ones are overused by bad actors or because corporate IT just blacklists “abnormal” TLDs (or only whitelists the old ones?) because it’s “easy security”.

Notably, XYZ also does that 1.111B initiative, selling numbered domains for 99¢, further feeding the affordability for bad actors and justifying a flat out sinkhole of the entire TLD.

I got a three character XYZ to use as a personal link shortener. Half the people I used it with said it was blocked at school or work. My longer COM poses no issue.

[-] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 13 points 4 months ago

Good news! .xyz is no longer the top malicious non-com/net/org domain.

It's uh, .top now. https://www.spamhaus.org/reputation-statistics/gtlds/domains/

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[-] scrchngwsl@feddit.uk 20 points 4 months ago

Sounds like you're in the UK, if so I'd recommend legit companies run by old nerds like Mythic Beasts: https://www.mythic-beasts.com/domains

[-] mtchristo@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago

It is either an extortion from your domain registrar or sometimes opportunistic domain squatters taking over your domain for a year or two. Check for how long it was registered a put a reminder to get it back

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Also, check back in a month. Sometimes a domain squatter will just never at, hopin to flip it before the registrar takes it back

[-] ludw@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Time to grab sungloc.to instead?

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[-] teuto@lemmy.teuto.icu 12 points 4 months ago

I had a squatter get mylastname.com after my dad died. After a while I guess they noticed that I registered mylastname.net and orffered to sell me mylastname.com I didn't respond and they let it expire. I should probably register it.

[-] atocci@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

The .com of my last name is taken by an actual business. Fine, no issue there. The .net of my last name however is being squatted on by Hover, who seems to have done the same with tons of last name domains and are selling email addresses on them in the form of firstname@lastname.net. The .org of my last name is currently redirecting to the .xyz of my last name, which looks like a family's personal website that lists their address and phone number as a header at the top of the page.

[-] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 4 points 4 months ago

/me points to my lemmy domain, I also have .nz

You should see the confused looks when I say firstname@lastname.nz and they reply with blueether@.nz and I say no... as I said it...

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago

I’ve lost my domain too. It took me two years to get it back. Hopefully it won’t be squatted for long

[-] miau@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 4 months ago

I am sorry that happened to you

Thanks for sharing your story, though. I have a few domains, two of them being very important for me (one I use for all my emails, and the other one for all my self hosted stuff). So I'll be paying close attention to their renewal

I hope you can find another domain that you like and that you can transfer your stuff to it.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

It's legal because they bought the domain and they can charge whatever price they want if you want to buy it from them.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

An .xyz domain? Nothing in that TLD is worth having, xyz domains are blacklisted by half the email providers by default.

[-] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 3 points 4 months ago

My emails seemed to go through pretty well. It's been blocked by Discord and steam. But other than that, emails seem to go through pretty well.

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[-] femtech@midwest.social 6 points 4 months ago

I'm glad I don't care about the domain name. Just something easy to remember but I can always change it and tell the fam.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 months ago

It’s important if you’re building a brand, or if you’re dumb like me and run your own email server

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[-] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Wow, I'm glad I have auto-renew enabled.

[-] Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

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HTTP Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the Web
IP Internet Protocol

3 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 4 acronyms.

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