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Also SUSE: OpenSUSE needs to change their name because we say so
To be fair, OpenSUSE is the only project with a name like that, so it makes some sense that they'd want it changed.
There's no OpenRedHat, no OpenNovell, no OpenLinspire, etc.
Debian Stable.
It's always the answer to "what distro do I want to use when I care about stability and support-ability.
And, unlike CentOS, it can't be legally taken over by a corporate entity and changed into something entirely different. Debian is owned by Debian.
As a user I wouldn't use debian. Server yes, workstation, no.
How come? I'm using it on a laptop now, and on quite a few servers. It does both things pretty well now.
Because it's not updated often enough. Fedora is stable and up to date. Especially fedora atomic has a huge added value compared to debian.
For some, that's a benefit
Stable means different things in different contexts.
Debian being stable is like RHEL being stable. You're not jury talking about "doesn't crash", you're talking about APIS, behaviours, features and such being assured not to change.
That's not necessarily a good thing for a general purpose desktop, but for an enterprise workstation or server, yes.
So it's not so much that Debian would replace Fedora, it's the Debian would replace RHEL or CentOS. For a Fedora equivalent, there's Ubuntu and the like.
Fair enough, it's good that there's choice.
Maybe just not for corporate enterprise that wants phone and tech support? unless Debian has an Enterprise vendor? The PLM systems and other enterprise level software are certified on SUSE and RHEL, personally I haven't seen Debian listed anywhere.
I know at least of Freexian. But also, Ubuntu tends to cover the "Like Debian, but with enterprise support" niche.
In my homelab I have Debian VMs originally set up with Debian 6 in 2011 which were upgraded another 6 major releases to now Debian 12 over the years. When I think about Debian I always get a very warm cozy feeling.
This article reads like a press release from SUSE.
No because the caption under the first image says that SUSE's mascot is a 'gecko named Geeko' -- which cannot be farther from the truth, for it is a Chameleon named Geeko, that is the mascot of SUSE. Aye.
Rocky Linux and possibly Alamalinux are the future if openSUSE is anything to go by
Rocky doesn't support the range or products needed to be "the" enterprise suite.
Heck you could even go Liberty Linux and have the same bins as Rock but support under SUSE, plus k8s, plus update management, plus security tools, plus k8s multi cluster, plus some ai thing to convince investors you are doing something with it.
Like, and all that's great, but honestly still not "enough" all under one roof for some enterprise costumers who are just looking to turn a problem into an expense.
Alma has been good for me the past year or so
I mean use Rocky all the time. Its good for me as a Dev and engineer. Its just not what I would spend a lot of time trying to convince management to spend money on for support and such.
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To be honest, their demand that OpenSUSE rebrand left a bad taste in my mouth. I get the logic behind it, but the time for that passed a long time ago (probably about 15 years ago).
their demand that OpenSUSE rebrand
Slight changing of the tone, there. They have formally requested the change, not demanded.
Maybe that will follow, I can't read the future, but it's not the case today.
I mean yes they did "formally request" it, but given the power dynamic between a FOSS project and a large technology company, openSUSE is not in a position where they could possibly refuse. So is there a difference between a request and a demand?
If there's no requirement, maybe openSUSE will just formally politely refuse to change names
I am sure it is a requirement really. Who owns the SUSE trademark?
In that case why would it be a bad thing to change the name to something else?
To be blunt...
Redhat contributes a huge amount to the community.
The only ones who think they're misstepping or whatever are just making noise and likely aren't even using RHEL.
I don't think people realise exactly how far their contributions go for usability, and getting rid of Redhat of actually a really bad thing for Linux.
I'd even argue, the only people complaining about this likely don't contribute anything to Linux anyway...
The only thing they did is stop oracle pulling their repo, rebranding and selling support slightly cheaper.
I disagree with you. You seem keen to insult people who might hold an alternative opinion, so no doubt you'll attack me as well.
Redhat did far more than just stymie Oracle. That you're saying that suggests you're either deliberately ignoring the facts (Ending CentOS 8 7 years early with no prior announcement, being massively disrespectful to the volunteer CentOS maintainers and support staff), deliberately paywalling source deliberately to target all rebuilders, not just Oracle, generally being amateurish and entitled dicks to the community through their official communications and so on) - or you simply don't know.
About the only thing you say that is correct, is that Redhat do contribute a lot to FOSS, even now. That deserves respect, but it gets harder to do that at a personal level each time they do something simultaneously dumb and selfishly corporate. A lot of people have given Redhat a lot of space and stayed quiet out of respect of their history. Maybe they are right to, but the direction they're heading doesn't look healthy to me.
Half of what you're writing isn't really true.
You're likely assuming a lot of that.
Everyone knows that Oracle was the reason. Sorry, but they basically bragged that they stole the latest rhel source code and added an unbreakable kernel. And they purposely targeted Redhats customers with support by stealing their work.
In other words, their only other choice was to basically close shop... Oracle has been screwing them for years,
Also, sorry, but is it disrespectful when a company drops a project? We could make that same comment about every project. Also, CentOS is open source, as you said, so anyone can download it . They didn't.
You're also likely assuming they're not pouring a huge amount of resources into it too
The perfect current example of rhel improving Linux is pipewire. They are literally unfucking Linux one component at a time in large chunks. It's insane that people here are treating them so badly.
In fact, the community has no problems mistreating Linux developers over tiny things, which is why developers like myself which have been badly attacked in the past have stopped contributing
Half of what you’re writing isn’t really true.
'tis, you know.
Also, sorry, but is it disrespectful when a company drops a project? We could make that same comment about every project. Also, CentOS is open source, as you said, so anyone can download it . They didn’t.
Dropped a project? It wasn't actually their project. I think you're missing some history there. CentOS was a distro started by Greg and Rocky entirely separate from RHEL and ran for many years. Redhat took over CentOS through methods that may be seen as underhand until they had sufficient seats and influence over the Board to have control of it, and then they took/stole the CentOS name. CentOS Linux is an example of a FOSS project that got taken over by a corporate entity, and then killed. (Anyone heard of embrace, extend, extinguish before?) Now CentOS only exists as CentOS Stream, which is repositioned upstream of RHEL and is a staging area/testbed between Fedora and RHEL. Redhat say it's not suitable for production use, so nobody other than testers uses it, afaik.
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Redhat have done a lot for Linux in the past. And that will likely continue for some time yet. But they have done some seriously questionable things ever since IBM bought them out. I don't like the direction they seem to be heading in as withmany of IBM products.
Is there a “questionable thing” other than your views on CemtOS? I do not watch them super closely but I do not recall anything else.
The lost my trust when they blocked the ability to share the source code
But you probably trust them for every other project like pipewire and such?
In practice, Linux is that it is today thanks to Redhat.
They don't own pipewire, samba or any other community project. They just help fund and develop them
Pipewire is developed by a Redhat employee.. A lot of projects are including policykit.. No they don't own it, and yeah, they're all open source and are freely used by the community
From my experience with development, a lot of these projects primarily succeed because they have a lot of backing. Also, someone needs to start them off, and a lot of these projects are also started by redhat
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Linux is that it is today thanks to Redhat.
Mmm, maybe - but only if you allow that the same can be said for the tens of thousands of other companies and individuals who have contributed.
Absolutely it can.
But Redhat is a huge contributor
The biggest threat that Linux faces isn't from Microsoft or other companies. Over the past 30 years, I've noticed it is actually from the community. I've seen so many cases where the community blows things out of proportion and scares off developers. It sucks. Linux and open source would be so much more successful if we didn't constantly make open source toxic for companies
Poor people like Lennart Poettering get shat on constantly too. He could get a much better paying job
Even right now.. VSCode. It's open source and MIT. People are STILL crapping on Microsoft and saying stuff like "oh wait for the enshittification", instead of thanking them, or encouraging them for more
It's bonkers.. There's so much negative reinforcement out there that it's scaring people away
You are right.
It's human nature emboldened by freedom, of course. Codes of Practice help, but can't change the freedom that comes from entitlement and anonymity.
But on balance, there's an awful lot of genuine people doing good, respectfully and politely.
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It has “become clear”. Has it?
Red Hat contributes more to Open Source than pretty much anybody. Certainly more than SUSE. That seems self-evident. If you want to debate, bring receipts.
As per the article, SUSE gets most of its money from SAP. SAP was founded by a bunch of ex-IBM people in Germany. They make IBM seem like cowboys.
The new SUSE CEO is ex Red Hat. Again, according the the article, the hope was that he would bring some of the Red Hat “open source magic” but SUSE has proven too “corporate”. Not exactly supporting their own argument there.
I am not close enough to the situation to know, but I doubt SUSE is taking over anything from Red Hat soon. RHEL is so far ahead that they have multiple distros trying to be “alternate” suppliers of RHEL by offering compatible distros. SUSE themselves are doing that now. If the world is looking to SUSE, why isn’t anybody trying to clone SUSE Enterprise?
SUSE is making some smart moves, given that they are the underdog. But let’s not confuse that with SUSE pulling ahead of Red Hat.
I'm sure enterprises are just running for the door, just like they did when IBM bought Red Hat. Also Hashicorp. Enterprises are going to dump Terraform because it's closed source and owned by IBM
Nobody gets fired for buying IBM.
But people do get sacked when IBM buys you.
Saw the thumbnail and for a second I thought a new backrooms video dropped.
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