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Harris Sharpens Her Attacks on Trump
(www.nytimes.com)
Probably going to be the new dem nominee
I mean, realistically we knew it four years ago...
Its why we kept trying to argue Biden needed a better VP. But moderates told us VPs don't matter.
I can hold my nose for Kamala, but fuck man. If there ain't a real primary next election I'm over the party.
I've voted D for president for literally 20 years now...
08 was the only time I didnt just vote against the Republican party.
If the DNC doesn't take this as a wake up then I don't know how we're going to avert catastrophe. But I can already see another primary in 2028 with no challengers because the DNC scared them all off to protect the incumbent democratic president. And I'm not sure what happens with 3 sham primaries ~~in a row.~~
How was 2020 a sham primary?
Oh wow, I'm really frickin tired. They weren't in a row. My mind jumped from 2016 where Hillary Clinton already had control of the party's assets to 2024 and 2028. Sorry about that.
No problem.
I won't go so far as to say 2016 was rigged, but the DNC definitely tipped the scale for somebody who already was going to get the nomination regardless.
The fact of the matter is, Bernie pulls more support from independents than he does centrist democrats. He proved that the left is taking over the party, but we aren't where we need to be yet.
The fact of the matter is, Bernie pulls more support from independents than he does centrist democrats. He proved that the left is taking over the party, but we aren’t where we need to be yet.
He also proved that the party will fight tooth and nail against the left but then just expect to win without trying against the right.
They don't care. They're all corporate removed anyway, they'll thrive under Republicans, except for the few of them who do actually care and would be too noisy.
Those who voted for them are the ones who should worry -- those whose existence and well being actually do depend on Republicans not being in power
Fuck that. She's been nearly invisible and very quiet. Definitely doesn't exude strength.
And when she does talk, it's nothing but word salads, SNL worthy
I just have no faith in her ability to beat Trump. She'll do worse than Biden ill bet.
I'm worried it will unite the sexists and racists behind trump
Pretty sure they're already there.
Are we really gonna chase them as a constituency?
More like they'll actually be motivated to show up at the polls or not throw their vote away on Joe Exotic because they're threatened by women of color.
No, more like I'm worried we will motivate more to show up at the polls.
Dems have been chasing them to the bottom of the barrel for some time now.
they were already united.
this is about mobilization and harris may be able to bring a wider, deeper pool of voters to the polls. I can tell you, where I am, there is absolutely no fire or enthusiasm for biden and we will miss warm bodies at polls pulling D levers because of it.
They’re already voting for trump.
Lol as if sexists and racists are voting democrat
There are a lot of people that don't realize they are sexist, or racist. They are surrounded by people that all also don't realize they are racist, or sexist but they will start finding all the flaws in them. They won't say "I don't trust a woman as president " but they will coincidently find other flaws in the person because they are involuntarily being more critical of them.
The point is, there are racist and sexists voting for Biden that wouldn't vote for Kamala. They just don't realize they are sexist.
I live in rural Arizona. I am essentially an expert on these types of people.
Okay yes that's a thing. It's also a thing that kids who would be too discouraged to vote at all would vote for Harris. We can't really know how that would shake out exactly, because both groups are hard to quantity.
Oh they exist.
Yeah that's a big concern too.
I will assume you’re a clever fellow and not a fuckwit.
I don't know. One thing that she's really good at is going on the attack. Go back and watch her in Senate hearings. If there's anything we need post-Biden, it's someone who will take the fight to Trump instead of bickering with him about golf and letting him control the narrative. Assuming that she hasn't let those skills atrophy in the interim, of course.
I don’t know why this is so hard, I care very little about her as a person. Biden is mostly at the whim of his party already and Kamala would be too. So the platforms remain nearly the same, but somewhat better on critical things like Gaza.
I don’t see how this is a loss for the dems to run her, they’re guaranteed in my mind to lose with Biden now. And you’re right, anyone who gets on stage and is younger than 65 against Trump will just trounce him. I was waiting for Biden to fight back just once against Trump but nope, he just sat there with his mouth open.
She's not senile and Biden is basically winning on a platform of not trump so I can only imagine she'll do better. The people don't like Biden, they dislike trump. No one currently in the running is anyone's first choice and pretending otherwise is just madness, so someone who has the advantage of not being fascist and not being senile only sounds like an improvement.
Same here. But it's not a lack of faith in her, it's a lack of faith in Americans.
I don't think so. She's no Joe from the 2012 vp debates, but she's also no Joe from the first 2024 presidential debate.
Don't trip over that bar on the floor
Fuckin tell me about it
Please don’t run her. She won’t win. Don’t run him either, but get someone better than her. Run a progressive
Name a progressive who is throwing their hat in the ring who can win with no fundraising apparatus set up 4 months before the election.
I'll wait.
Of your requirement is "already throwing their hat into the ring" then of course you're not going to get any replies. No one is going to seriously contest the current president publicly at the moment.
Even if they had thrown their hat in the ring now, they still would have 4 months to out raise and outspend Trump without access to any of the money already raised.
Kamala is the only one with a chance.
Would money raised for Biden not be able to be transferred to the eventual nominee if he steps down? I'm sure they would have access to DNC funds.
They would have access to DNC funding but essentially none of the Biden money that has been raised.
A lot of first-time Trump voters came to him from Bernie. If the media wasn't out to destroy him, his policies are extremely popular.
I don't know about a lot.
If somebody can so easily flip back and forth between democratic socialism and fascism, they are likely an idiot, and I am not sure how many idiots actually supported Bernie. I suspect not as many as the other candidates ran.
I don't think it's all that unexpected that people who are fed up with the system might latch onto radically different (from the status quo) messaging. Wanting any alternative to what has been offered for decades can be understood. It doesn't mean I agree with people who opt for fascism; I simply acknowledge that their desperation for an alternative makes sense even if their choice is counterproductive.
People who can switch so heavily between opposing systems as the surrounding political winds change ate people who have the luxary to do so. The bulk of people who are fascists are almost never poor.
Or a centrist that can actually win.
Well this has nothing to do with anything but I don't think that pink suit looks good on her at all
Delete this
Meh, I don't think the comment matters. Fashion has always been a discussion topic. Remember Obama's tan suit? Or all the criticisms on Trump's ill fitting suits?
The problem is that we often overemphasize fashion when it comes to women over men. While I don't believe this was intended as a sexist remark, it does underscore the inherent misogyny we view women in the public eye with. I don't believe any malice was intended, this is a society problem and not an individual issue, at least in this cause, it's still worth calling out none the less.
That man put mustard on his hamburger!!!!
I think the color is fine, but the cut is unflattering imo.
(Also in South India that would be considered a muslim color, her patti would be very disappointed).
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“Consider: Donald Trump has openly vowed if re-elected he’ll be a dictator on day one, that he will weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies, round up peaceful protesters and throw them out of our country and even, and even and I quote, ‘terminate’ the United States Constitution,” Ms. Harris said.
In Dallas, Ms. Harris tried to attach Mr. Trump to Project 2025, a policy and staffing blueprint assembled by dozens of conservative groups for the next Republican administration.
Project 2025, which is led by the conservative Heritage Foundation, is not Mr. Trump’s official campaign platform, and the former president has recently sought to distance himself from it.
In a statement, Danielle Alvarez, a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign, accused “Team Biden” of “fear-mongering because they have NOTHING else to offer the American people.”
But while political momentum is building for Ms. Harris, she is also navigating a difficult balancing act in not spotlighting the messaging limitations of her boss.
Sonia Southerland, a 69-year-old member of the sorority, said she was struck by how Ms. Harris explained the stakes of the election, specifically his potential plans for a second term.
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Ya and if you get elected, you'll let the Republicans do it anyway
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