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submitted 3 months ago by Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

A Black man has filed an employment discrimination lawsuit against a hotel in Detroit, Michigan, alleging the hotel only offered him a job interview after he changed the name on his resume, according to a copy of the lawsuit obtained by CNN.

Dwight Jackson filed the lawsuit against the Shinola Hotel on July 3, alleging he was denied a job when he applied as “Dwight Jackson,” but later offered an interview when he changed his name to “John Jebrowski.”

The lawsuit alleges Jackson was denied a job in “violation of Michigan Elliott Larsen Civil Rights Act.”

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[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 139 points 3 months ago

Is 'Dwight Jackson' a black sounding name? I'd have assumed the person was white if I'd read that name.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 117 points 3 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

To the point that "Jackson" became jazz/jive-era slang that was the equivalent of "hey, what's up?" when black people who used that slang were talking to each other.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 64 points 3 months ago

Over 50% of the people with that surname are Black.

https://discover.23andme.com/last-name/Jackson

That's nationally too. So in a place like Detroit with a large Black population, I feel like people would assume Dwight Jackson was Black.

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[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 122 points 3 months ago

Middle-aged white guy here. First and last names, total white bread. Middle name? Black. Think "Tyrone" or "Trevon". (LOL, Trevon shows a spell check error on one of the top 20 black male names.)

Couldn't get a response on my resume for 6-weeks, nada. Changed the email to take out my middle name. Next week, 3 interviews and a solid job.

Had a black neighbor with a valley girl accent show up to an interview. 8 white girls waiting for their interviews. They showed her the door and said there was a mistake, no openings. She eventually got hired since her preacher was a top dog at the place.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 62 points 3 months ago

The good thing about racists is that they're fucking stupid. Just interview the person and say nothing instead of making up an obvious lie.

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 29 points 3 months ago

But what if the interview goes well... Then what? We can't just hire them. Then we'll be forced to maybe face... Something. Not sure exactly what...

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 94 points 3 months ago

I've witnessed this first hand from the hiring side for an IT position. I was going through resumes with my boss and he straight up said, "I don't want any hispanics, I want a white guy." while tossing anything with a hispanic name to the side without even looking beyond that. This was in Orlando in an area with a large hispanic population. The kicker is that my boss was actually hispanic himself!

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 66 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The kicker is that my boss was actually hispanic himself!

In the UK we call that racist taxi driver syndrome. A lot of immigrants come to the UK and because it's a good money earner, or at least because they think it's a good money earner, they tend to buy a taxi.

Anyway you get in and suddenly they start telling you about all their world views, usually it's along the lines have there been too many immigrants. Even though they are an immigrant themselves.

Very much a case of shutting the door behind themselves.

[-] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

Haha so true. I remember some my friend's family going on about how we should all vote leave because of all the immigrants.

Mate, you were born in Napoli. You're as Italian as spaghetti. I'm not that kind of British person and, as far as I'm concerned, you're more than welcome here but you're the "immigrant" you hate so much. Not only that, your that being that person while banging on about how bad immigration is to a group of very obviously white native British people. It was just the most bizarre thing ever.

He still has an accent.

I genuinely wanted to be like "but we like you." I don't think that would have gone down very well though.

[-] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I'm Chinese and I am also extremely weary of hiring someone from China. Pretty scared of CCP spies TBH.

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[-] EnderWiggin@lemmy.world 91 points 3 months ago

His name was already about as white bread as it gets. This is a real and genuine problem when it comes to hiring, but it's going to be a huge uphill battle for him to prove anything here.

[-] misspacific 31 points 3 months ago

jackson is an extremely common surname in the black community?? the fuck??

[-] EnderWiggin@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

It's also an extremely common last name among white people. It tells you nothing on a resume. This dude's name is akin to someone named John Smith.

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[-] scoobford@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 months ago

It's also extremely common in the white community. They're saying that his real name isn't one that would cause someone to assume you are nonwhite, like Will Dewitt, Ashley Jones, or Casey Smith.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago
[-] EnderWiggin@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

The fact that this exists is the most hilarious rebuke to the guy you are replying to I can pretty much imagine.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 30 points 3 months ago

He doesn't need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. This is a civil suit. Essentially, his face value evidence is strong enough to win unless the hotel can provide clear explanation of how it did what it did, for example if they had different people processing different stacks of papers. At the same time, the plaintiff will have a chance for discovery, so who knows what will happen on that front.

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[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 months ago

When I think of the name "Dwight" I think of Eisenhower or the character from The Office. Not this guy.

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[-] LordGimp@lemm.ee 70 points 3 months ago

We had something similar out here where a black family felt their home evaluation was really low when they were getting ready to sell so they had a white couple "show" the home to a different evaluator from the same company and surprise surprise the estimated value was like 30% higher for the white couple.

[-] Jumpingspiderman@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago

NGL. That is some really fucked up shit.

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[-] finley@lemm.ee 67 points 3 months ago
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[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Its even more comically bad than you describe and the link suggests.

The settlement was for a workplace racial discrimination lawsuit.

Discrimination^2

[-] maxinstuff@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago

This is a well researched phenomenon.

It’s also been demonstrated that these sorts of biases have made their way into the AI models which are commonly used to review applicants.

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 28 points 3 months ago

Models reflect the biases of their training data, garbage in garbage out

[-] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 months ago

There is clearly a LOT of discrimination that happens in the hiring process and basically no oversight or accountability. How else can workers fight discrimination like this without going to the lengths that this man did?

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[-] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Freakonomics talked about this ages ago

Not that they are a proper source or anything just... one of those things where it feels true and you keep seeing examples of it forever

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Freakonomics lists all their sources at least

[-] Kimano@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

There's also been tons of academic studies on it that back it up.

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[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 months ago

I often fantasize that one day I'd start my company and require that all resumes be submitted without a name on it.

[-] match@pawb.social 11 points 3 months ago

This is trivially easy to do if you're having resumes submitted through a form. But companies are not doing it.

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[-] uis@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago

Jebrowski

Kurwa!

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

The hotel's attorney: "He ain't gettin' shit from Shinola!"

I hope he wins enough to not need that job.

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

So hear me out. From time to time, I have applicants who repeatedly apply, but because they said something stupid to the person who took their application, or they were dressed inappropriate, or had poor hygiene, or whatever reason, I keep their resume in the ‘do not call’ pile.

If that person simply changes the name on the resume, It is likely that I would then give them a call, not knowing it was actually stinky Pete applying again, or whatever.

In this totally reasonable scenario, the names used had nothing to do with it.

Also, we are always advertising that we are hiring so that we have a fresh set of resumes to choose from if we need someone immediately. We may not be hiring for months while someone applies over and over. Then someone will quit or get fired and we will immediately begin calling resumes starting with the most recent. There is a good possibility that this whole thing is a coincidence… not everything has malicious intent.

I know racial discrimination in hiring definitely exists and is probably super prevalent, but there is a chance this is not one of those cases and there are other plausible explanations if the only evidence that exists is what is in this post.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 38 points 3 months ago

Also, we are always advertising that we are hiring so that we have a fresh set of resumes to choose from if we need someone immediately

So, you aren't hiring then.

[-] LordGimp@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago

Louder for the moron publicly outing his own scummy industry practices.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 12 points 3 months ago

SO, YOU AREN'T HIRING THEN?

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[-] experbia@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

Also, we are always advertising that we are hiring so that we have a fresh set of resumes to choose from if we need someone immediately.

Sure just go ahead and be disrespectfully wasteful of everyone's time. other people are just tools that exist to be used, after all.

disgusting behavior, given the number of people actively trying to find good work to survive. if I was looking for work and I found out someone was doing this with my resume I'd be livid if they ever dared to call me.

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[-] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

Yes those could all be possible but the evidence has shown time and time again that people with minority sounding names get less call backs than average. So him filing suit over this is good cause either it was one of those and it will be proven in court pretty easily by company records or it'll turn out it was race based and the company can be punished for it.

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[-] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 20 points 3 months ago

Why does your company waste people's time saying they're hiring when they're not? That's a whole other problem... called lying... but I guess it's okay because everyone is being treated like shit equally?

You can get fresh resumes by putting up a listing on Indeed and get new ones almost immediately. There's no excuse for lying to applicants.

I really hope your just a troll making shit up, even though I know companies do this frequently. Never thought I'd see someone almost proud of it and act as if it's not problematic behavior.

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[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

“It’s not malicious intent”

Explains how his companies entire hiring strategy it openly malicious, lol

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