Ron DeSantis’s slew of laws attacking teaching of race and gender issues sees state’s colleges struggle to fill faculty posts
As intended.
Good luck finding right-wing professors, Ron. Alumni of the Florida Universities are going to be really mad when the schools can't fund football and basketball in the coming years. They already have a recruiting crisis due to Ron's actions.
It's a lot like that quote:
If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.
If conservatives become convinced that an education makes people less conservative, then they will not gaze inward to wonder why that might be, but instead reject education.
Education != indoctrination
I'd agree, which is why we shouldn't be presenting slavery as a circuitous jobs training program, like Ron DeFascist wants to.
At some level, education is about instilling certain ideas and theories within an audience for the purpose of driving some kind of social activity. Whether that activity is academic research or religious proselytization depends on the information being conveyed. But every form of education does require a certain set of axioms be taken at face value.
People tend to lose sight of the fundamental and necessary techniques used in imparting new knowledge while fixating on the relative values that the new knowledge provides when they toss out words like "indoctrination".
Can you articulate the difference to me? I'm curious to see what you come up with.
Yeah, sure, I’ll bite.
Education is teaching kids to think for themselves while giving them the ability to tell fact from bullshit.
Indoctrination is forcing your own ethics, morals, and beliefs onto children who lack the ability to discern fact from bullshit, usually early enough in their development to ensure that the bullshit you’ve forced onto them becomes permanently encoded into their brain structure.
Nobody’s indoctrinating college students. The students are being taught to critically analyze information and are using that critical analysis to realize that the worldview they’ve been spoon-fed is bullshit.
Education is the act of imparting knowledge, usually with the goal of improving general understanding and critical thinking skills, while indoctrination carries inherent connotations of partisanship - usually about believing a specific doctrine or ideology, even if facts or evidence suggests it to be untrue.
Good luck finding right-wing professors, Ron.
Absolutely no shortage of right-wing academics and ideologues who would be happy to take an $80k/year stipend to tell their RAs to play PraegerU videos for an auditorium-sized classroom while they clumsily flirt with freshman co-eds in the back office.
Once you abandon the idea of education as a real thing that colleges are actually supposed to do, its basically just a no-show job that functions as a kick-back to your cronies.
But won't that mean that everyone will just go to universities in other States? Isn't the point here about a brain drain, not the complete loss of all population.
The people with no brains to drain will stay in Florida presumably.
I've wondered how long we'll go before universities across the country start refusing to accept Florida high school graduates because their coursework does not meet basic acceptance criteria. I can see the Ivy league starting first because they have a legitimate reason to want their incoming freshmen to have top-notch coursework under their belt so they can hit the ground running, and once the first domino falls I'd imagine lots of universities would rush to join the chorus. If Florida officials want their kids to learn that slavery was good and that rainbows don't exist, then fine. They're disqualified from attending tertiary institutions whose history and sociology instruction is predicated on those things being bullshit. It'd be no different from some crazy-ass wingnut homeschooler trying to get into Harvard after having taken classes like "Cell Biology and Jesus", "Why God Made Calculus", and "The Physics of Heaven" from their mom.
I've wondered how long we'll go before universities across the country start refusing to accept Florida high school graduates because their coursework does not meet basic acceptance criteria.
This is exactly what DeSantis and his ilk want. Conservatives are scared shitless of their kids going off to university and finding out that their parents and schools have been lying to them their whole life.
Solution: Ensure no out-of-state schools will accept your students so they're stuck in your shitty system forever.
I remember a homeschooled kid the first year of college. Their whole life was turned upside down. Couldn't finish the year, then they enlisted. Never heard what happened after
Couldn’t finish the year, then they enlisted.
Sounds like the system the right would like to institute and they'd be okay with this outcome.
The battles over AP curriculum were already partially this.
While this would make a big statement, the real victims would be innocent teenagers. Arguably we should be doing the opposite and trying to get as many of them out of that state as possible.
I don't understand why the education curriculum is not set at a federal level. It's not like 2+2 ever equals 14, no matter what state your from.
It might be preferable in the current political climate, but think about what might have happened if this was the case 5 years ago.
Meh. If it doesn't directly impact them or their families, conservatives won't give a shit. So I say make it very real for them, and make it clear their children are learning a version of history that significantly undermines their academic and professional careers. Harvard doesn't owe them shit, and Karen McBurnaBook won't pay attention to a word you say until little Annie can't get into college and has to take remedial classes at the community college to qualify for an out-of-state 4-year institution. Maybe that way Annie will be forced to stand up to her parents' bullshit antics when they show up at the school board meeting to call everyone a pedophile.
You want to make an omelet? Gotta break some eggs, unfortunately.
You do realize that there are non-conservative children currently living in Florida?
While this would make a big statement, the real victims would be innocent teenagers.
This part was true. There's no action that we can take to save them from shit parents if they support this nonsense.
having taken classes like "Cell Biology and Jesus", "Why God Made Calculus", and "The Physics of Heaven" from their mom.
I see you've met my cousin! I wish I was kidding. :(
Florida is in for a rough time, in the next ten years will have a massive shortage of medical workers, teachers, and professionals. It will be the most uneducated state in the western hemisphere and likely a major center of criminal activity.
And insurance companies are fleeing because of global climate change.
They’re also loosing agricultural and construction workers as DeSantis’s anti-immigration policies drives away illegal migrants who filled those positions in under-the-table jobs.
It will be the most uneducated state
Alabama and Mississippi will cage-fight Florida for that trophy.
One of my kids is a sophomore in high school (we live in FL unfortunately), she wants to be a vet but we will probably be looking to other states to send her to college. Political climate down here is ridiculous right now.
The people who matter to the Florida Fascists all have investments in other states and countries. They aren't dependent on the local economy prospering; and they benefit from keeping state and local taxes low.
They can import doctors and other skilled laborers from overseas. Then by eliminating birthright citizenship and restricting naturalization, they can ensure that those skilled laborers' children will not become citizens. Uppity immigrants will be stuffed in a box and mailed to California.
By destroying public education, they ensure that those skilled laborers (and everyone else) must pay far-right private schools to educate their children. Only far-right schools and teachers will be permitted to operate; all others will be prosecuted as "groomers" and/or just lynched by outraged "mothers' groups".
Crime is very good for fascists; it keeps rich people scared of poor people, and thus willing to support politicized-militarized police violence, private militias, etc.
The goal is to replicate a fascist social structure, which is a parody of a traditional conservative social structure — with the aristocracy replaced by the loyal Party elite; church replaced with Party rallies; and multigenerational family replaced with atomized nuclear families whose man-of-the-house must be tested for Party loyalty. These all stand above the racial underclass — who do the doctoring, landscaping, and cocaine importing, and who don't get to do things like vote, question the police, or get their rape kits tested.
(Being a trad dad isn't enough, men; if you tolerate political dissent among your children, they will be taken away from you and given to a Party-loyal abuser. Today it's your trans kid; tomorrow it's your teenager who's a Greta Thunberg fan.)
DeSantis honestly doing everyone in that state a favor by evacuating it before Climate Change wipes it off the map.
A lot of people on this thread are saying the consequences of these policies is intentional.
I don’t give them that much credit. I don’t think they fully understand the consequences of these policies. And as things go to shit, they will just blame liberals.
And this is all really sad. There are some really nice parts of Florida, with some really nice people. Fucking sucks. Oh well.
Most likely this drain of academics was an intended effect of the laws passed under DeSantis. The loss of academics hobbles institutes of higher learning while positions remain unfilled, resulting in a more ignorant populace. It also opens the possibility for far right extremists to infiltrate academia to corrupt academic thought and principles from within. The danger of ultra right wing, bigoted, nationalistic, authoritarianism continues to grow. How long before more right wing states follow suit?
Conservatives have been gutting education for 40 years. Look at the educational outcomes in Republican run states. They like ignorant, meaning uneducated voters. Crippling higher education is definitely their goal.
It also ruins Florida's economy, though. Brain drain is like the last thing nearly all places want.
The voters may not want the economy to suffer but DeSantis and his cronies do. It's part of the GOP playbook. Damage the economy with tax cuts and other legislation, then blame the Democrats for the bad economy. Their voters always fall for it.
Mississippi and Louisiana can confirm this phenomenon.
My wife has extended family from Mississippi. They are some of the stupidest people I have ever met. They all, and I mean ALL, send their kids to private schools so they won't have to attend alongside black kids. One of her cousins was just down visiting with us and I walked in while she was ranting about how "I know trump is blahbidyblah, but things were so much better under him... just look at the GAS PRICES screee scrawww hurr durr". I did the ol' Grandpa Simpson about face and checked tf out before I said something ugly and upset my wife (not that she actually agrees with her cousin or anything, I just need to be nice...)
How long till they secede and shut boarders to libs? Good times good times.
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