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[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 130 points 5 months ago

for those who haven't read the woman's FB post, here is a clip:

"..were attacked on Saturday night by a group of 7-10+ middle eastern men, believed to be from Syria, aged 18-25"

Canada has a lot of issues at this moment, stemming in part from increased immigration in the last 3 years (causing housing issues, etc). This sort of event, "brown people beating up white women" could be a dangerous racial catalyst.

I hope this gets dealt with as a single incident, but given current affairs, I am not optimistic.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 98 points 5 months ago

Immigration is such a fucked up issue almost everywhere. You've got the right blaming everything on brown people and the left claiming all immigrants are just peace loving pacifists looking for a better life.

As with most issues the truth is in the middle and any immigration policy should absolutely demand that any immigrant coming into a country assimilate and fully support our values of equality for all.

You cannot tell me you support equality for all when your religion makes your wife walk 5 steps behind you in a beekeeper suit at 30c weather while you get to strut around in shorts and flip-flops.

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 58 points 5 months ago

As with most issues the truth is in the middle and any immigration policy should absolutely demand that any immigrant coming into a country assimilate and fully support our values of equality for all.

First generation migrants tend to be, in most receiving countries, less likely to commit crime than native-born population.

http://www.antoniocasella.eu/nume/Bersani_2012.pdf

They found that immigrant men and women were less criminally active than native-born men and women in regard to self-reported crime, being stopped by the police, being charged with a crime, and having contact with a criminal justice agency. This pattern of lower levels of criminal activity among immigrants compared to the native-born held in models controlling for key background characteristics including a variety of educational, employment, and family history measures.

The problem comes with latter generations, if the receiving country isn't doing an adequate job at integrating them. If the parents work really long hours, aren't capable of spending much time with their kids, have trouble to pay kindergarten and have trouble teaching their kids the local language, if the kids are victimized by racist bullying at school, have less means to do well academically and land a good job, and are generally otherized by society, they're at a larger risk getting alienated and engaging in antisocial behavior and even crime.

So, if you don't want migration to be a problem, invest in public schooling (including kindergarten), offer classes teaching the local language to adults, empower unions, protect labor, and fight racism.

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[-] 2ncs@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

As with most issues the truth is in the middle and any immigration policy should absolutely demand that any immigrant coming into a country assimilate and fully support our values of equality for all.

America is hardly a country of "equality for all" sadly

Edit: This was literally 4 posts down

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

This happened in Canada, what does the usa have to do with this? This same thing is playing out over in the EU as well, and everyone here is wondering how the right is gaining political growth...this is why. People inherently do not want groups that come over and violently force their beliefs on the population.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Why are they believed to be from Syria?

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Police said one man stayed and made a statement, in the US at least this means identifying yourself, so they have a likely reliable way to identify the men involved

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 70 points 5 months ago

Violent people should be brought to justice, this is unacceptable.

There are many Muslim or Islamic immigrants who live in Western countries just fine, what happened here? Many Muslim and Islamic immigrants are LGBT+.

The root cause of the issue in this incident should be examined, and if all else fails violent immigrants should be deported.

[-] PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 5 months ago

I work with middle eastern guys who are like this, they hide this side of themselves when I'm around (white guy) but it comes out when my female coworkers are alone. It's common enough that I've heard about it from multiple people. But when I'm around they're great and I consider them good work friends.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

It's hard facing this as a lefty. I met a Muslim European colleague at an all hands in tel aviv during pride a few years ago. Went for super late night constitutional with a few other internationals including fellow Americans and the whole city was alive and really queer. In depth conversation with this otherwise really nice guy about how he would minimum believe mental illness, maybe disown, his daughters for being gay or trans. I understood it's religion like anti abortion and I'll never persuade him and didn't argue, just shared perspectives and asked questions.

[-] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago

It's not hard at all to face this as a leftist. You can acknowledge that homophobia and sexism are deeply rooted in Islamic religions while also recognizing that not every adherent is guilty of either. Pretending something isn't true because it's not pretty doesn't benefit anyone except those who would utilize the blind eye to continue to do harm to society.

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

The root cause is Islamic conservatism.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Root cause is religion which devalues this life for a hypothetical next one

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[-] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 62 points 5 months ago

atheism is the answer. until we as a whole reject religion, these incidents will be recurring.

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 50 points 5 months ago

I know homophobes that are atheists. while religion being gone would decrease it, do not expect it to be gone just because of that. People will always have issues with people different than they are.

[-] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

yes, but with religion out of the way, we can implement better education to reduce 'otherism' bias. i am convinced that the only obstacles stopping us from being better humans are all rooted in BS fairy tales.

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[-] vonxylofon@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

Doesn't work. USSR murdered and prisoned both religious people and gay people alike. The answer is not being a fucking cockwomble, which is admittedly more easily done if you're an atheist, but by no means is a guarantee.

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[-] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago

Not necessarily. Plenty of chill religious people and unchill atheists. Russian homophobia, for instance, is generally secular.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago

Homophobia and Atheism aren't mutually exclusive to one another, hell I know plenty of Atheist Transphobes.. some of whom used to be gay allies until they were radicalized by the Alt Right.

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[-] MJKee9@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

There is a really funny South Park episode about this.... Bottom line is assholes will be assholes with or without religion, which is just a convenient excuse for assholery.

[-] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 months ago

We don't actually know this, just because one southpark episode depicts it happening like that doesn't mean it would. Religion has a lot of archaic beliefs that actively harm people. It would be a lot harder for someone to be motivated to hurt someone if they didn't believe they had a reason to justify it.

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[-] idiomaddict@feddit.de 51 points 5 months ago

Is it weird that I’m impressed by how minor their injuries are?

A significantly broken nose can be life altering, especially if it’s too swollen to set right away, don’t get me wrong, but they both walked away.

If I was in a fight with multiple men and I ended up on the ground, I don’t think I’m walking away. I say that as a 178cm woman who’s stronger than most.

[-] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago

I dunno. I read it after seeing your comment and it suprised by your assessment. Black eyes take forever to heal. They have to see that every day in the mirror for weeks while also trying to deal with the trauma of the attack.

I think it's great they walked away, but then again, doesn't seem like the kind of situation where it's a group of people looking to maim or kill

[-] deltapi@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

I got punched in the face at 24yr, and it never fully recovered. My eye is ok, but any time there's the slightest bit of facial swelling - tired, allergies, etc. the cheek under that eye pouches up and droops markedly.

[-] idiomaddict@feddit.de 15 points 5 months ago

I’m absolutely not minimizing their injuries, but I would expect myself to die in that situation. They handled themselves much better in the fight than I think I would.

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[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

They're Canadian.

Broken nose, broken teeth and black eyes? This was a normal day at whale shit hockey.

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[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 38 points 5 months ago

“A group of men walking on the other direction made a comment to me. My girlfriend, Tori, said ‘hey that’s my girlfriend,'" MacLean told CTVNews. “They continued walking and Tori followed them to basically say: ‘That is not OK’.”

Don't ever do this, no matter who you are.

[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago

I'd encourage LGBTQ folk to relocate to western and northern Europe. It ain't perfect, but you're very unlikely to get the shit kicked out of you.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

These Syrian Islamists are also here. Like here in the Netherlands a couple of months ago two Syrians beat up an old Iraqi immigrant because he was wearing a cross. And in May a Syrian father honor killed his daughter with the help of his sons. This shit happens everywhere these Syrians fled to in huge numbers.

[-] turmoil@feddit.org 24 points 5 months ago

Yeah, sure, European reactionaries are so well known for their inclusive position towards the LGBTQ community; it's those damn immigrants protesting drag shows and criminalizing abortion.

Stop instrumentalizing the discrimination minorities face to legitimize discrimination of other minorities, you xenophobe.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Lol stop thinking conservative Muslims aren’t a problem in Europe. Just because white racist conservatives are making live hard for the lgbtq and Muslims doesn’t mean the Muslim community are all allies. A person who suffers from discrimination can be themselves a bigot.

Also I’m an immigrant in the Netherlands myself living in a neighborhood with lots of Muslims. I’m seeing the problems some of the Muslim immigrants cause first hand. Lgbtq will never walk hand in hand in my neighborhood. Muslim youths will straight up harass and commit violence if they see a gay couple walking hand in hand. I’m not saying all Muslims are gay bashers but the portion of liberal minded Muslims is in my experience a tiny fraction of the Muslim community in my country.

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[-] abacab@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

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[-] Sternout@feddit.de 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Remember incidents like these are a direct result from republican politics.

The thugs are being enabled by the politicians.

Edit: I thought Halifax is in the USA.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 5 months ago

Nova Scotia is not a US state.

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[-] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

There are, in fact, 7 states with cities called Halifax. And if others aren't aware, that republican authoritarianism is spreading around the globe - enabled by their same corporate/elite backers and think tanks. I believe your point still stands.

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[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Not only did this happen in Canada, these men who assaulted these women....are not Republicans, they're a completely different kind of authoritarian and they're already at the violence level.

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[-] TronnaRaps@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago

It's too bad that happened, and I dunno if I'm victim blaming or whatever... But the one girl followed the group and said that's not ok. Yeah she called them out, but there's consequences to stuff like that. Either way hope they catch those pricks

[-] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

The point was that those men weren't supposed to harass them in the first place.

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Are you saying she provoked them somehow, and they didn’t even know she was gay? I am just trying to clarify the point here

[-] ji17br@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

According to the article it started with them insulting one of the girls due to appearance, then the girlfriend defended and followed the group. According to the group of guys the women got violent first but who knows who’s telling the truth.

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[-] tetranomos@awful.systems 7 points 5 months ago

have books become too heavy for men?

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