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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 194 points 1 year ago

No. Unequivocally no. This might make sense on its face but it misunderstands Batman at a fundamental level- Batman is a hero who cannot make sense. He is severely mentally ill and craves change physically and instantly wrought by his own two hands.

If a CEO were doing something outlandishly and visibly evil then they might find themselves on Batman’s radar, but exacerbating wealth inequality is just not something Batman usually cares about. Would it make sense for Batman to do something about it? Yes. Absolutely. Would the crazy 100 kg gymnast dressed like a giant bat, who has made a nightly ritual of shattering the spines of impoverished criminal dockworkers do that? No.

Now daredevil, daredevil might find himself beating the ass off a shady Manhattan CEO. But daredevil is sane, reasonable, and goal oriented and Batman is just not.

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago

Yeah, doesn’t the dude consider Batman his true identity and Bruce Wayne the costume?

[-] projectmoon@lemm.ee 51 points 1 year ago

Depends on the continuity and who's writing it, but often yes. He was notably portrayed this way in the Justice League cartoon.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

This fact was revealed in Batman Beyond, in which Batman's nemesis is an evil CEO called Blight.

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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In most modern versions, yes. He’s just survivor’s guilt held together by a ceaseless run of violent distractions and related obsessions. Not the one to call on your union busting boss.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

but exacerbating wealth inequality is just not something Batman usually cares about

In fact, being a mega-rich himself, he's probably best buddies with those CEOs so long as they don't do something so outlandishly evil that he has to go after them for publicity reasons.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 115 points 1 year ago

Batman was a CEO of a company.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago

not to mention he's a psycho himself. instead of using his seemingly infinite wealth to engage in any real systemic change, he puts on a fucking bat costume and prances at night to beat the shit out of low level goons while letting the biggest maniacs and the ones leading these gangs run away every time.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

instead of using his seemingly infinite wealth to engage in any real systemic change, he puts on a fucking bat costume and prances at night to beat the shit out of low level goons

Some of the better Batman comics introduce him as skilled detective, rather than a superhero whose power is infinite money.

Like any good crime thriller, his work starts with some innocuous crime or tragedy that gets swiftly covered up by corrupt police. Batman steps in as a noir vigilante, listening to the witnesses everyone else ignored and tracing the crime back to the low-level thugs who serve as pawns in a much bigger game. He extorts them for information in order to move on to bigger fish - the crime boss who runs the docks or the sleazy businessman who thought he could pay to make a problem go away - and uncovers a deeper systematic corruption. He runs into various freaks and geeks - your two-faced DA or your web-fingered club owner - who facilitate the city-spanning crime. And, in the climax, he discovers the whole system is rotten, even to the point where his own Wayne Enterprises is complicit in these cruelties.

He discovers the limits of vigilantism, its not just a question of biting into a few bad apples, but tearing the rotten tree out of the earth root-and-branch. And he realizes its too much for one man to change. So he goes back to that first original witness/victim, and he brings him back to his cave. And he sets himself to training this survivor of a broken system how to fight crime like he does.

The best Batman stories aren't the ones where he punches a Clown Prince out of a factory window. Its ones in which he pulls another scared child out of the wreckage of his parents' home and gives him a second chance at life.

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[-] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 year ago

I don’t mean to direct this at only you, but I hate this take. There are plenty of comics that dive into this, him using his wealth to help Gotham, the city just had too many problems. Court of Owls for instance, the group that is always watching Gotham and influencing it state and its key figures.

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[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago

Well he did have his parents murdered in front of him as a child.

That shit twists people.

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[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 8 points 1 year ago

They don't fight their own kind.

[-] criitz@reddthat.com 107 points 1 year ago

Batman WAS the CEO of companies

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

And there's no solidarity like class solidarity. Remember Ellen Degeneres hanging out with Bush? Bruce Wayne would've been in that skybox too.

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[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

self punch then?

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 103 points 1 year ago

Yes the billionaire that spent a shit ton on money on gadgets to beat up poor people would definitely be a champion of the people

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He also beats up rich people, like the Penguin. The Joker and Riddler and all those guys get their crazy gadgets and hordes of minions somehow. They must be rich af

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[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

That's what happens if you take all your knowledge from memes. Good luck.

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 20 points 1 year ago

Are we going to pretend that Wayne Enterprises isn't likely 1 of those 100?

I think that's kinda the point of the comic...

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[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago

No he won't, batman fulfills every billionaires fantasy of dressing up in a costume and beating up poor people.

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[-] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

You're aware he is a CEO of a company?

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

I thought Lucius Fox was the CEO. Bruce Wayne is chair of the board.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 8 points 1 year ago

Depends on the particular telling I think. DC has IIRC gone both ways with that.

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[-] Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 1 year ago

Batman is a CEO, right?

He just goes after the ones he can beat without much backlash from the public/system.

Imagine if he takes down a CEO. He'd not be able to play batman. Gordon and batman sympathisers would be affected, so Batman's human connection in the police would be lost. He can hack stuff, but might not always be enough.

He can do other stuff, but he can only do it gradually and much more tactfully.

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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Like Lex Luthor, who hes fought on several occasions? Or more like the Court of Owls, one of his recurring set of villains?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

You've got Batman mixed up with the Punisher, OP.

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[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Why do you people make up such obviously false head cannon. This is degenerate shit lol.

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 year ago

I think more Superman.

He is just a working class guy, both his wife and his own job are probably getting replaced by AI, his mother pension keeps getting lower and his dad died because he couldn't afford proper healthcare.

Also his arch nemesis is already a Billionaire.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 26 points 1 year ago

Bruce is a billionaire. He's on their side.

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

If Batman was real today, he'd be Donald Trump.

That's what these (alleged) "super heroes" really are... idealized, ubermensch-esque metaphors for the actual power wielded by the rich and privileged.

In fact, I'd say that Batman is the ultimate Objectivist wet dream - he perfectly personifies the fascist (as Batman) and the capitalist (as Bruce Wayne) in one person. Even Ayn Rand's creepazoid ancap sugar-daddy "heroes" didn't manage that.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

I would like you to explain how Captain America and Superman are reactionary.

Captain America is an artificial warrior created by a Jewish scientist to fight the Nazis, and Superman is a baby sent away in a basket to be raised by not-dead parents who chose to use his privilege to help people.

Zack Snyder is an Objectivist and that's why his Superman movies stink. He doesn't understand the core themes of superheroes, he only understands the spectacle and surface theatrics.

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[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Superman was already going after CEOs when Batman was first created. Batman was always a hero for the right wing.

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[-] queue 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

CEOs of companies existed in 1939, and did before. 1939 would have been the time of the great depression, World War 2, fascism, and Batman didn't go after them, he went after the people who needed work and took the last chance they had.

Bruce Wayne is just a form of Bill Gates. Donates millions to charity, good causes, hospitals, fighting diseases, but he still has lots of more money than when he did before all this "charity". The difference is that Gates doesn't put on a mask and go punch the poor of Seattle.

If Batman was real, he'd be a dickhead, worse than Musk or Bezos.

EDIT: Why mine and no one elses? This dude is annoying.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

Yeah because when I think of the working class I think lunatics dressed like clowns arming chemical weapon dispersing explosives on the orders of a guy who caught a chemical burn induced skin condition and decided everyone was gonna die suffocating over it.

Batman is a detective, a detective! 99% of what he does has nothing to do with fighting, you just don't hate read the detective work because Batman going out of his way to find the murderer of some nobody with nobody to care enough to ask it be done doesn't feed this bizarre obsession some folks have with making Batman the worst thing ever because he has money as a plot convenience to explain where all his insane tech comes from.

Also, he does constantly do work addressing wealth inequality by backing community efforts to relieve the effects of poverty and by championing community leaders standing up to corruption. Why doesn't it work? Because there's a literal criminal conspiracy of the wealthiest of Gotham dating back centuries that most recent versions of Batman has been at war with since near the outset of his investigative career. Again, read any of the comic books published in the last like 20 years and this would all be entry level stuff.

Also, Gotham's gangs are not normal gangs, like I exampled above, but also consider the sheer level of advanced education or ability to outsmart most folks who have one Gotham's criminal leaders have. Even Joker is heavily implied to have retained advanced chemical engineering training from before he went psycho.

If the idea that even one rich person has genuinely good intentions and does genuine work addressing the causes of criminal activity at every level is that hard for people to grasp, maybe just put the comics down and find another topic because man are you all gonna struggle with basically everything else you're gonna find in the genre.

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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

Watch The Boys

[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

No he won’t. Batman wasn’t the good guy

[-] Delusional@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

And politicians. Clearly corrupt republican politicians who are trying to destroy democracy for some reason.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago

You're thinking of Poison Ivy.

[-] Foni@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

I once read that Superman was a humble man who faces big exploitative businessmen, while Batman is a big exploitative businessman who stands up to homeless people. The implications of Batman being more popular than Superman today and what this says about our society is enough for a complete essay.

Or Batman's more popular because he's a more interesting character. Superman can only experience kryptonite so many times before you start to suspect he never actually left the planet Krypton.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

"They're the same picture."

[-] XiozTzu@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Who you want is Rorschach as others have pointed out Batman is part of the problem. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_(character)

[-] Enkrod@feddit.org 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

FUCK NO!

Rorschach is a fascist, he only works in absolutes and while the Batman tries not to kill, Rorschach has no such regard for human life. He detests the junky as much as the murderer, for him there is only pureness and evil, every little bit of amoral behavior will be punished and at the same time he considers his own vigilantism as above the law.

He's a misogynist who thinks that the Comedian raping Silk Spectre was just a "moral lapse". He holds even for his time outdated socially conservative views and strongly opposes what we would call (gender and sexual) minority rights.

Rorschach is unbending and uncompromising, he is beholden only to his conservative rigid views of black and white morality with no room for shades of grey. That might not sound so bad at first, but if you think about it, that is definitely not someone who you want as a judge of people.

On top of that he's a far-right believer, he's not a government man in the same way the alt-right are not. His thinking is deeply conspiratorial and paranoid with a huge dollop of delusion. He's better described as an Ayn Rand paleolibertarian.

Thinking about it he definitely would fit right in with today's alt-right with the only difference that (if - and only if - he would not buy into their conspiracy theories - and he's very much likely to do so) he would detest Trump for his lying.

But Rorschach is definitely the kinda guy who'd shoot up a pizza place looking for tortured kids in the basement.

I love him as a character, he's one of the best written vigilante "heros" out there but what's so fascinating - to me at least - is that his principled moral conviction is contrasted by how immensely unlikeable this man is and how his moral uprightness relies on the moral compass of a deranged 11 year old with a gun.

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

Aye. Anyone who idolizes Rorschach is the same person who idolizes Tyler Durden — they've missed the entire point of the character in the story.

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[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure theres a lot of batman media that confirms that people hate him because he basically just protects the rich. They even call him a billionaire playboy.

[-] Emmy@lemmy.nz 8 points 1 year ago

Like Bruce never engaged in union busting. He's literally one of the billionaire class.

He regularly aligns himself with other upper class people to take over the city.

Hell, he has his own gang.

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