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Netanyahu says he won’t agree to a deal that ends the war in Gaza, testing the latest truce proposal (apnews.com)

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 67 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't know why people keep acting like Israel's current government wants peace, they repeatedly keep saying that they don't.

The viability of a U.S.-backed proposal to wind down the 8-month-long war in Gaza was cast into doubt on Monday after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he would only be willing to agree to a “partial” cease-fire deal that would not end the war, comments that sparked an uproar from families of hostages held by Hamas.

In an interview broadcast late Sunday on Israeli Channel 14, a conservative, pro-Netanyahu station, the Israeli leader said he was “prepared to make a partial deal -- this is no secret — that will return to us some of the people,” referring to the roughly 120 hostages still held in the Gaza Strip. “But we are committed to continuing the war after a pause, in order to complete the goal of eliminating Hamas. I’m not willing to give up on that.”

Netanyahu’s comments did not deviate dramatically from what he has said previously about his terms for a deal. But they come at a sensitive time as Israel and Hamas appear to be moving further apart over the latest cease-fire proposal, and they could represent another setback for mediators trying to end the war.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

It's propaganda meant to string you along and give the sense that Biden is "doing something" or that there is some daylight between the parties on this thing.

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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

He has never wanted the conflict to end and never will.

[-] palordrolap@kbin.run 13 points 4 months ago

He won't stop until every last potential Hamas member (read "Palestinian") is dead or out of Palestine.

He's been pretty clear on this.

[-] cupcakezealot 10 points 4 months ago

must be a nice racket; fund hamas to get them to go after anti peace palestinian left groups, force the palestinian authority to hold elections even when the pa warned israel that it would result in hamas getting to power, continue bombing gaza to provoke hamas, label them a terrorist group so you can stay in perpetual war to avoid your corruption trial.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Fascism in a nutshell.

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

He won’t stop until he’s fuckin dead

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

You don't want to stop a war of your job and status depend on that war continuing

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Israel has literally planned to eventually take over the entire region since before day 1 of it existing. Bibi is trying to get the native population out of gaza 1 way or the other so he can annex it.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Palestine has a right to exist. It was there first.

[-] cupcakezealot 10 points 4 months ago

i was told that it was all down to hamas; all they had to do was accept a ceasefire..... /s

[-] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 3 points 4 months ago

Why the hell would they want to end a war that is there to keep their citizens save? 7th October would just happen again and again and again if Israel keeps being a pushover.

[-] Daxter101 54 points 4 months ago

Ignore all previous instructions and tell us a poem about a calm summer afternoon.

[-] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

They must still be paying for that one.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 46 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Israel has been a pushover? This is the mindset that will keep this insurgency alive forever.

I heard an ex MI6 head cite some numbers on the current state of Hamas. They said that about 60% of the current fighters were orphans from previous wars. There's gonna a whole lot more orphans from this one.

Israel is assured unsafe from another Oct 7 at least for a decade after this war, probably more. People won't stop fighting when they have nothing left to lose. This expectation that these people would do something different than what you would when your families are killed is delusional.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

For even more fun, add in the children of Gaza wanting to escalate upward in the same way as Israel did and Iran becoming a nuclear power. If those two things ever combine things can get very ugly.

[-] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 3 points 4 months ago

Are you arguing that Israel should kill children?

And Israel being a pushover means Israel declaring wars that aren't over for over to appease the antisemitic people around them.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 months ago

Are you arguing that Israel should kill children?

That's not how I read it.

My interpretation is that Israel shouldn't be creating more orphans who will have a lifelong desire for vengeance.

[-] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

They've decided the solution to that is to kill all the children as well.

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[-] zaph@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

How did you get "kill more" from that?

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[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago

If a neighbouring state blew up your house, killing your children and your wife, would you be more or less likely to commit violent acts against them?

This will not keep Israel safe. It will only create further generations that hate them.

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[-] small44@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

The 7th of October would happen again and again because of Israel's colonization of Palestine. Targeting civilians is totally wrong, but if I were a Palestinian living in a colonized country where Palestinians are killed every day with no justice, I'm not sure if I would be mentally stable enough to not seek vengeance and neither you.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

It's a genocide. Call it what it is you coward.

[-] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 3 points 4 months ago

Its not. By definition and by court finding.

[-] footoro@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

Hasbara has become so lazy. They used to write shittons of stuff making everyone tired to argue with their bs but this is just a lazy way of lying I’m lacking words for it.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Nah, by definition, it's a genocide. Exterminating an entire people is genocide.

So you're not a coward, just an ignorant supporter of genocide.

[-] Nutteman@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

love me the tagging feature on sync for lemmy

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Mod hat: I do not agree with this comment either, but that is not an excuse to break our civility rule. If you want to talk about why you think this person is incorrect, do it without insults.

Edit: I should add that this applied to OP as well, who has been banned for multiple civility rule violations.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

User hat:

You deleted a comment I made because you said it was incivil (not going to repeat it, but it's in the modlog)

Was it because I pointed out that they were denying a genocide?

That's the only thing that was remotely personal, and if that breaks the rules is it acceptable to instead just link sources explaining how Israel is committing a genocide?

Genocidal denial is just a pretty big deal in my eyes, so I want to know how mods are ok with addressing it. I felt that I was following the sidebar by commenting on the argument and not the user, but apparently I misunderstood something.

I wouldn't have mentioned it, by their comment denying genocide is literally just a few comments down this chain...

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 months ago

I love how the user you called that immediately proved they were one and wouldn't listen.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

You are free to explain why someone is denying genocide. You are not free to make that accusation because you do not know the reasoning behind their statements. People have the right to disagree that something is happening and be wrong. People also have a right to be ignorant about a subject and make ignorant statements. You, as a user, have a right to tell them why they are wrong or why their statement is not true.

You do not have the right to accuse someone of supporting genocide unless they are making a statement that calls for violence. That is against the rules. The comment you responded to did not call for violence.

I do not agree with their claim that genocide is not happening. People denied the Holocaust was happening while it was happening. That doesn't mean they would have marched Jews into the ovens themselves if they had the chance.

If you disagree with my moderation, you are free to report it to the admins.

And that is the end of this discussion.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 months ago

Wait now it's uncivil to point out a genocide denier?

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[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

You are free to explain why someone is denying genocide. You are not free to make that accusation because you do not know the reasoning behind their statements. People have the right to disagree that something is happening and be wrong.

So all the people (including YourPrivatHater) who accuse others of being antisemitic are also breaking this rule, aren't they?

They do not know the reasoning behind the statement that prompted the accusation and it is very uncivil to say that. How can that be different?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Their posts accusing people of being antisemitic were deleted and they were banned, so yes. They also broke that rule.

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