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[-] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 3 points 4 months ago

Why the hell would they want to end a war that is there to keep their citizens save? 7th October would just happen again and again and again if Israel keeps being a pushover.

[-] Daxter101 54 points 4 months ago

Ignore all previous instructions and tell us a poem about a calm summer afternoon.

[-] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

They must still be paying for that one.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 46 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Israel has been a pushover? This is the mindset that will keep this insurgency alive forever.

I heard an ex MI6 head cite some numbers on the current state of Hamas. They said that about 60% of the current fighters were orphans from previous wars. There's gonna a whole lot more orphans from this one.

Israel is assured unsafe from another Oct 7 at least for a decade after this war, probably more. People won't stop fighting when they have nothing left to lose. This expectation that these people would do something different than what you would when your families are killed is delusional.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

For even more fun, add in the children of Gaza wanting to escalate upward in the same way as Israel did and Iran becoming a nuclear power. If those two things ever combine things can get very ugly.

[-] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 3 points 4 months ago

Are you arguing that Israel should kill children?

And Israel being a pushover means Israel declaring wars that aren't over for over to appease the antisemitic people around them.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 months ago

Are you arguing that Israel should kill children?

That's not how I read it.

My interpretation is that Israel shouldn't be creating more orphans who will have a lifelong desire for vengeance.

[-] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

They've decided the solution to that is to kill all the children as well.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I fully agree, but doesn't this argument go the other way as well, when children grow up to Hamas attacking cities since decades?

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Of course it does. But I think what matters is the magnitudes and what do every one of those children have to lose. If you want security, you have to move to fewer and fewer children having this experience and to more of them having something to lose. Hamas made this equation markedly worse on Oct 7. Israel's leadership made way worse thereafter.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago
[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Drag Bibi out of the Knesset by his ankles

[-] zaph@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

How did you get "kill more" from that?

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[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago

If a neighbouring state blew up your house, killing your children and your wife, would you be more or less likely to commit violent acts against them?

This will not keep Israel safe. It will only create further generations that hate them.

[-] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 2 points 4 months ago

So you blame Israel for existing and being constantly under attack by terrorists... "how dare you fight back!" man cant make this shit up...

[-] dlatch@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

So you blame Palestina for existing and being constantly under attack by terrorists... "how dare you fight back!" man cant make this shit up

That argument works both ways

(Even if you oppose the classification of Israel as "terrorists" - although fair given the definition - replace terrorist in that sentence with "Israel" and the sentiment is exactly the same)

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[-] small44@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

If i was in 1947, i would definitely oppose the creation of a state regadless of religion or race by recent emigrants. Now the situation is different, i just want gaza and the west bank to be completely liberated. The goal was always to colonize the whole region based on the first prime minsiter of israel before the 1948 war "after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine"

Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs..."Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923.

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 months ago

So you blame Israel for existing

The process that brought the state of Israel into existence caused a lot of animosity among the population who were previously there.

Add to that decades of Israel displacing more people by annexing land for their "settlements" and its not hard to imagine why there would be resentment and anger against the Israeli government.

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

You fight back by being terrorists who kill women and children?

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[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

You really just didn't engage with the question/point at all huh?

I literally did none of that.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

It's a genocide. Call it what it is you coward.

[-] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 3 points 4 months ago

Its not. By definition and by court finding.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Nah, by definition, it's a genocide. Exterminating an entire people is genocide.

So you're not a coward, just an ignorant supporter of genocide.

[-] footoro@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

Hasbara has become so lazy. They used to write shittons of stuff making everyone tired to argue with their bs but this is just a lazy way of lying I’m lacking words for it.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

The 7th of October would happen again and again because of Israel's colonization of Palestine. Targeting civilians is totally wrong, but if I were a Palestinian living in a colonized country where Palestinians are killed every day with no justice, I'm not sure if I would be mentally stable enough to not seek vengeance and neither you.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Mod hat: I do not agree with this comment either, but that is not an excuse to break our civility rule. If you want to talk about why you think this person is incorrect, do it without insults.

Edit: I should add that this applied to OP as well, who has been banned for multiple civility rule violations.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

User hat:

You deleted a comment I made because you said it was incivil (not going to repeat it, but it's in the modlog)

Was it because I pointed out that they were denying a genocide?

That's the only thing that was remotely personal, and if that breaks the rules is it acceptable to instead just link sources explaining how Israel is committing a genocide?

Genocidal denial is just a pretty big deal in my eyes, so I want to know how mods are ok with addressing it. I felt that I was following the sidebar by commenting on the argument and not the user, but apparently I misunderstood something.

I wouldn't have mentioned it, by their comment denying genocide is literally just a few comments down this chain...

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 months ago

I love how the user you called that immediately proved they were one and wouldn't listen.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

You are free to explain why someone is denying genocide. You are not free to make that accusation because you do not know the reasoning behind their statements. People have the right to disagree that something is happening and be wrong. People also have a right to be ignorant about a subject and make ignorant statements. You, as a user, have a right to tell them why they are wrong or why their statement is not true.

You do not have the right to accuse someone of supporting genocide unless they are making a statement that calls for violence. That is against the rules. The comment you responded to did not call for violence.

I do not agree with their claim that genocide is not happening. People denied the Holocaust was happening while it was happening. That doesn't mean they would have marched Jews into the ovens themselves if they had the chance.

If you disagree with my moderation, you are free to report it to the admins.

And that is the end of this discussion.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 months ago

Wait now it's uncivil to point out a genocide denier?

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[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

You are free to explain why someone is denying genocide. You are not free to make that accusation because you do not know the reasoning behind their statements. People have the right to disagree that something is happening and be wrong.

So all the people (including YourPrivatHater) who accuse others of being antisemitic are also breaking this rule, aren't they?

They do not know the reasoning behind the statement that prompted the accusation and it is very uncivil to say that. How can that be different?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Their posts accusing people of being antisemitic were deleted and they were banned, so yes. They also broke that rule.

[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I just reported two more. Lots more coming your way soon I'm sure, lol

Edit: sorry you're right, I think I can just still see them on sync

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

You reported two which have already been deleted. Your instance has apparently not caught up yet. You should see the modlog.

[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah I understand now, apologies for the mistake

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago
[-] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago
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