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submitted 6 months ago by Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Despite how hot it is, landlords in Tennessee are not required to keep the air conditioning running.

In our changing climate, that probably comes as a surprise.

However, unless it's in the lease, nothing in Tennessee's Landlord-Tenant Act gives renters the right to air conditioning.

"I think it's unfair. It's inhumane to me because without air we can't live and breathe," said Anita Brown.

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[-] jake_jake_jake_@lemmy.world 101 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

i think it is disingenuous to represent that AC is a standard or required by law for a rental anywhere, at least in the US. I do find it shitty that the AC included with the unit is damaged, and land(slum)lord won't fix it, but again, unless it's in the lease there really is no requirement that the LL provide it in US. I think it is good to start a discussion on if AC for a rental should be the law, (edit: i also would strongly support this) but i doubt we will see that become the case, especially in southern states which probably would need it most.

[-] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 107 points 6 months ago

i think it is disingenuous to represent that AC is a standard or required by law for a rental anywhere, at least in the US.

Having AC is a standard and required by law in many places in the US

https://www.rent.com/blog/keeping-cool-tenant-landlord-responsibilities-air-conditioning/

[-] jake_jake_jake_@lemmy.world 63 points 6 months ago

that didn't have any list of states, but my curiosity lead me here https://propertyclub.nyc/article/apartment-air-conditioning-laws#what-states-require-air-conditioning

i was pleasantly surprised to find 24 states that do require it, with some other states that have some loopholes.

[-] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 29 points 6 months ago

I tried to find the list but brain failed me and i kept getting bar association stuff. Did you know that while Missouri doesn't require AC it does require that units be kept to a 'habitable' temperature, and there's enormous case law defining that word that makes it defacto required but technically not.

[-] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago

If the building becomes unlivable it’s an issue. high temps with high humidity can literally lead to heat stroke since no amount of fans will help since you literally can’t cool off even with sweating.

What that fix is, I’m not sure, but some buildings in areas of the south become ovens during heat waves and without AC people will get sick or die.

[-] jake_jake_jake_@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

i absolutely agree, my point is less that there are or are not health concerns, just that it is currently not a requirement, at least anywhere I have lived. i believe it should be, but I know that the south passing legislation that helps vulnerable people at the expense of those who own property is probably never going to happen. i just felt like it was odd that the article was stating that there is no law in the state, without emphasizing that most states do not either.

[-] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Some areas have basic consumer protection. Such as a habitation must be fit to live in.

Renting out an apartment with 2 feet of water in it all times, or black mold, or no water or front door is often covered by specific legislation and then, if not, then by the consumer protection statutes.

Which may be the approach some lawyers will have to take if this gets bad enough.

“I can live in my apartment except for 5 weeks where I have to go someplace else” is what we may start seeing in future civil actions.

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[-] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

We also don’t technically require that you have a steady supply of oxygen in your apartment, but I’m guessing you’d find it unreasonable if you woke up in a vacuum.

Do we even have a law that says landlords can’t heat your apartment to 100 degrees Fahrenheit? Or a law that specifically proscribes noise machines? Do we really have to specify every fucking thing or can people just be reasonable?

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

I don't know if you've seen all of human history, but no, people can't be reasonable. Look at the need for mask mandates if you want a recent example.

[-] PixelAlchemist@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

can people just be reasonable?

Not when there are pearls to be clutched.

[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 6 months ago

It's just fucked up that an appliance that's connected to the actual rental unit doesn't need to be operational by law. I mean, if the 'fridge dies in a TN rental unit is the landlord required to fix it or does that need to be specified in the lease also?

It's just basic consumer protection, IMO. The AC comes with the apartment, the landlord should be required to maintain it.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 10 points 6 months ago

Central Air absolutely needs to be a requirement on all new construction. And window units need to be mandatory unless requested otherwise in every bed room.

It's way too hot these days in the car majority of the US for this to be safe.

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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I’d argue that if it’s a feature of the unit that was present when someone signed, then yes it should be required to work.

Of course contracts can’t cover every little thing, so it’s ridiculous to rely on them for that level of granularity. Do we need to mandate contracts have an Entry for every feature of every appliance, every piece of infrastructure, every piece of structure? No. These things were presented as being there and functioning. But we should be able to rely on things working as presented. We should have a legal right that that be true

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Blame building codes and politics. Including an AC in every build could inflate the costs making it unaffordable too.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

I doubt adding AC would make it unaffordable, other than the renter having to pay the electric bill. The federal government, some cities, and most electric providers offer incentives to purchase and install modern HVAC units. window units are also an affordable option included in or allowed in many rentals.

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

people used to build houses that were designed in such a way where you didn't need air conditioning. In tropical country such as Vietnam where I live this is still the case. I have to wonder if the United States builds houses inefficiently on purpose.

[-] jam12705@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

I think we got lazy with our designs once centralized air was mainstreamed. The house my father grew up in the 1950s was designed like you mentioned. It would only allow light through during certain times of year/day with its overhanges and louvers and it jad more windows which allow more air flow....now according to him it was still a miserable place to live during the 1950s Texas summers....

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Sort of. Pretty much all of suburban housing is cookie cutter houses made out of the cheapest possible material available. Really the only improvements we've made is better insulation and standardized 2 way heat pumps.

I can't imagine apartments and buildings are much better when you can just slap an AC onto anything and call it a day.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago

I had jury duty once and the air conditioning was acting up. Judge announced we would all be moving to a different room as a result, which we did.

Guess it isn't a luxury when it's a judge's place of work.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's very much a selective thing. Humans vs meat machines.

I'm a meat machine. The factory I work in regularly gets over 90°F in the summer and being on long Island its also humid as fuck like 75%+.

I checked the NY state laws on factory conditions and wouldn't you know it, the fucking laws are vague as shit to allow essentially anything... "All factories must maintain a reasonable temperature and humidity." That's the fucking law. "Reasonable" is not defined anywhere in that law... I contacted my ~~business cuck~~ "R"epresentative about what that law means or how we determine what is reasonable, and yet again wouldn't you know, he never responded...

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[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago

We could just start building houses so they don't need them like they do in Hawaii. The well designed houses are designed in a way that allows maximum airflow when the windows are open because the price of running an ac there is astronomical.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

There's a lot more regular breeze in Hawaii

[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ya, you got me there. You can also build them like termites in Africa do with their hives. They build them in a way to vent heat, and so they catch the minimum amount of light and heat.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

There's also windcatchers, the "ancient air conditioners" of Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

If you've ever been to the deep south usa like Tennessee you would know that's not viable. Temps hit 100 F easily most summers. Humidity is often very high in combination with the scorching heat.

Fortunately it is definitely NOT the norm for homes to be built and/or rented that do not have AC. I've rented numerous cheap homes and apartments in the South, every one had AC. My cheapest rental home was $300/mo and it had all utilities (and central HVAC) working except Internet.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ah yes, Hawaii, where it gets to a scalding 85F on the hottest of days

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

We could just…?

Maybe we could just limit the temps in other hot areas to the same as Hawaii which gets around 85° and rarely goes over 90°?

How about other parts or the US where temps regularly exceed 100° or even 110°? Those airflow designs would do little more than pipe summer heat through their homes.

You can design homes in hot areas to do well, but it’s not an airflow issue. You can do earth berms, thicker walls, much better insulation, and design windows and eaves to prevent the high summer sun from coming in windows to heat the interior. Unfortunately a lot of these kinds of efficient building styles are seen as crunchy-granola and don’t lend themselves to mass produced, cheap material, suburban tract homes and McMansions. The problem is crappy construction and our insistence on the prevalent suburban style.

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[-] finley@lemm.ee 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

anything to fuck over poor people...

[-] Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

I had a friend that was not allowed to run air conditioning in his flat. The landlord said the old wiring could not handle it. I said that all you needed was a decent UPS (they make these just for window units in India), but my friend just moved instead. 100+ F is too hot in a flat during Summer.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

I used to live in an apartment that also explicitly disallowed window units. The apartment did have a fireplace though, and I figured hot air rises, so we just shoved a window unit in there and let the hot air vent out the chimney.

It did the trick, and we never agreed not to install a fireplace unit.

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[-] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago

In the mean time instead of dying from heat exhaustion do an internet search for DIY AIR CONDITIONING and at least see what your options are. Good luck. Climate change is a thing by the way.

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[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

I feel like the habitability requirement might be governing on issues of extreme heat.

[-] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

Most of the world can't afford air conditioning. We're talking something like five billion people or way more.

[-] theRealBassist@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I mean first of all, not every part of the world needs it. Second... everyone who needs it and can't afford it should also have access.

Giving it to group A does not, in cases like this, preclude group B from it as well.

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[-] TepX@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

If this was Phoenix Arizona we wouldn't be having this conversation because all the tenants would already be dead. If there's a danger to tenants the answer seems obvious.

[-] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

something in common with prisoners! Hell yeah Tennessee!

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Right to Fry

[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

AC is not going to change the presence of air, so I am not sure what the last quote is supposed to mean.

[-] ninjabard@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

Most people at least in the South just say, "Turn on the air," when talking about the AC.

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[-] zabadoh@ani.social 9 points 6 months ago

Excessive heat and related stress has unpleasant and sometimes deadly effects on human physiology.

Even affecting brain function.

Panting is one way of shedding excess heat, but if it's so hot that even panting doesn't work...

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