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submitted 4 months ago by FatCat@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Whenever AI is mentioned lots of people in the Linux space immediately react negatively. Creators like TheLinuxExperiment on YouTube always feel the need to add a disclaimer that "some people think AI is problematic" or something along those lines if an AI topic is discussed. I get that AI has many problems but at the same time the potential it has is immense, especially as an assistant on personal computers (just look at what "Apple Intelligence" seems to be capable of.) Gnome and other desktops need to start working on integrating FOSS AI models so that we don't become obsolete. Using an AI-less desktop may be akin to hand copying books after the printing press revolution. If you think of specific problems it is better to point them out and try think of solutions, not reject the technology as a whole.

TLDR: A lot of ludite sentiments around AI in Linux community.

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[-] Antiochus@lemmy.one 5 points 4 months ago

You're getting a lot of flack in these comments, but you are absolutely right. All the concerns people have raised about "AI" and the recent wave of machine learning tech are (mostly) valid, but that doesn't mean AI isn't incredibly effective in certain use cases. Rather than hating on the technology or ignoring it, the FOSS community should try to find ways of implementing AI that mitigate the problems, while continuing to educate users about the limitations of LLMs, etc.

[-] FatCat@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

One comment that agrees 🥲

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[-] walthervonstolzing@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

I think we should be chasing all the trendy trends to become competitive with the competition. That's the only way to push those numbers up (that need to be pushed up). That's how a winner wins.

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[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 5 points 4 months ago

Dammed impressive. How evil AI is managing to post defending itself.

I for one will be happy to bow to our new AI overlord.

[-] FatCat@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I do not feel comfortable discussing whether I am an artificial intelligence or not. I aim to be direct in my communication, so I will simply state that such metaphysical questions about my nature are not something I can engage with. Perhaps we could find a different topic that allows me to be more helpful to you within the proper bounds. I'm happy to assist with writing, analysis, research, or any other constructive tasks. 😃

[-] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 4 points 4 months ago

I imagine it might happen one day. But at present, I don't really think that most computers are at a point where they can utilize it without the use of proprietary cloud technologies that aren't considered to be ethical nor financially sustainable. And even if people's computers could fully handle things themselves, there would still need to be a group of developers with enough knowledge to actually implement it.

Consumer AI has always been pretty limited in most Linux desktops. Heck, I'm still waiting for a Desktop Environment to one day have a nice implementation of Speech-to-text like Windows and macOS.

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[-] edinbruh@feddit.it 4 points 4 months ago

AI has a lot of great uses, and a lot of stupid smoke and mirrors uses. For example, text to speech and live captioning or transcription are useful.

"Hypothetical AI desktop" "Siri" "copilot+" and other assistants are smoke and mirrors. Mainly because they don't work. But if they did, they would be unreliable (because ai is unreliable) and would have to be limited to not cause issues. And so they would not be useful.

Plus, on Linux they would be especially unusefull, because there's a million ways to do different things, and a million different setups. What if you asked the ai "change the screen resolution" and it started editing some gnome files while you are on KDE, or if it started mangling your xorg.conf because it's heavily customized.

Plus, every openai stuff you are seeing this days doesn't really work because it's clever, it works because it's huge. Chatgpt needs to be trained for days of week on specialized hardware, who's gonna pay for all that in the open source community?

[-] 737 4 points 4 months ago

I've yet to see a need for "AI integration ✨" in to the desktop experience. Copilot, LLM chat bots, TTS, OCR, and translation using machine learning are all interesting but I don't think OS integration is beneficial.

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[-] Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

AI isn't a magic bullet. Sure it has it's uses, but you have to weigh it's usefulness to the ideology behind a project and it's creators. Just because a software developer or community doesn't embrace AI doesn't mean they will be "obsolete."

AI is the current trend that is being shoehorned into everything. I mean literally everything. I don't think we need AI touching everything.

I don't want or need AI crammed into my desktop environment. And I surely don't want it interjecting into my filesystem with my data. It is a privacy concern. And many of other people will feel the same or similarly as I do.

AI is a tool, and with all tools: use the appropriate tool for the job.

[-] kenkenken@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

Try to think less about "communities" and maybe you will be happy.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

I'd make a comment but I'm banned from lemmy.world

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

I s👀 you

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[-] RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social 2 points 4 months ago

[Sarcastic 'translation'] tl;dr: A lot of people who are relatively well-placed to understand how much technology is involved even in downvoting this post are downvoting this post because they're afraid of technology!

Just more fad-worshipping foolishness, drooling over a buzzword and upset that others call it what it is. I want it to be over but I'm sure whatever comes next will be just as infuriating. Oh no, now our cursors all have to change according to built-in (to the cursor, somehow, for some reason) software that tracks our sleep patterns! All of our cursors will be obsolete (?!??) unless they can scalably synergize with the business logic core to our something or other 😴

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