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Israeli military rescues four hostages alive from Gaza, including Noa Argamani (www.nbcnews.com)

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[-] JayTreeman@fedia.io 134 points 3 months ago

I'm struggling with everything on this article. On the one hand anytime a hostage has been freed, that's good news. On the other, at what cost. 40 000 dead. That's the easy stat. Amputations are also incredibly high. Most of them kids and performed without anesthetic. This is the first time the IDF has rescued hostages. So I'm sitting here with my initial feeling of 'oh, that's good news' ,and then I think about the wider picture and context, and it doesn't seem so good anymore.

[-] smnwcj@fedia.io 58 points 3 months ago

And half a dozen months ago they could have had a ceasefire to have them released, along with the ones that STILL aren't released.

[-] kbotc@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

Nah, that was the one that Egypt fucked up. There had not been an actual agreed upon hostage transfer since the first one. Hamas also won’t give actual information on the hostages. This whole thing is just war crimes the whole way down.

[-] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

"we don't negotiate with terrorists" and that stance is "non-negotiable." If only these terrorists would just stop and do what we want.

[-] deltapi@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

So you think we should negotiate with terrorists? Give them something to make them stop what they're doing today, and they definitely won't commit more terrorism later in the hope of getting more things later.

Maybe just stick to eating ass, Adam.

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 months ago

Spain did successfully negotiate with ETA, and there is no more ETA today. Colombia's government negotiated with the FARC, and the immense majority of the FARC have gotten peacefully integrated in their country's parliamentary system.

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[-] _cnt0@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago

Just to be clear: are you talking about the Palestinian terrorists or the Israeli terrorists?

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Maybe you're right, the world tries to negotiate with israel all the time to no avail.

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 3 months ago

Well from the other side the IDF are the terrorists, since they’re terrorising Gaza indiscriminately.

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[-] Monomate@lemm.ee 22 points 3 months ago

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[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 24 points 3 months ago

Maybe the Palestinians themselves devalue their own lives compared to Israeli lives.

You should just stop right there. If your logic depends on saying "they actually don't value their lives as much as others" then please stop and ask "what the hell is wrong with yourself?". People who think like this probably value their life least of all. /s

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Maybe the Palestinians themselves devalue their own lives compared to Israeli lives.

What the fuck

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[-] JayTreeman@fedia.io 20 points 3 months ago

I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any independent verification that Hamas has been using hospitals and schools for bases, but I'm positive that there's been debunked Israeli reports that schools and hospitals have been used as Hama's bases.

Same thing for human shields. IDF admits to using Palestinians as shields. To my knowledge, there's no Hamas equivalent.

This 'war' isn't about Hamas anyways. If it was, there wouldn't be 1000 people killed in the west bank. Hamas isn't in the west bank. Why is the IDF letting people kill Palestinians in the west bank?

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[-] rdri@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Imagine how much resources hamas spent on keeping these hostages and how many lives could be saved if they just released them all before the ground operation was started.

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Netanyahu said since November that even if all hostages were released he was going to invade anyway and not stop the war.

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[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Just think about how many lives could have been saved if Israel worked towards a two state solution

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[-] Pungentstentch@lemmy.world 115 points 3 months ago

It's curious they always highlight the

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

I'm glad more hostages are free, but for me it doesn't sit well the result... 200 people dead to save 4. At least the IDF are improving, luckily this time they didn't kill the hostages.

Who is organizing these rescue operations? Homelander?

[-] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago

But to the IDF the 200 people killed weren't people. So the math maths.

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 months ago

Hamas is already willing to agree to the US peace plan, so the only thing preventing the rest of the hostages making it to their homes is political will, and with much less risk.

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[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Obviously it’s good to minimize collateral damage and casualties wherever possible. But I see no issue with this result.

If a country values the lives of their citizens they will rescue them and spill any blood needed. Conversely, a nation that values its cut will try to minimize the harm that could come to them and keep hostages far from where they are.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

If a terrorist holds hostages in amongst hundreds of INNOCENT PEOPLE it's fine to massacre them all. When you could have just got all your hostages released by accepting peace. Cool moral compass you have there

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[-] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 months ago

What if Hamas is spilling blood because they value their citizens and land?

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[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 85 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Great news. Not sure if genocide of the Gaza population is necessary for that.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 29 points 3 months ago

It is not.

This article doesn't mention if anyone was killed in the raid, Hamas or civilians.

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 27 points 3 months ago

94 dead Palestinians, including children.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 3 months ago

Israeli forces returned fire, including with airstrikes, he said. An Israeli special forces commander was killed during the operation, a police statement said.

Just casually bombing city areas jfc

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[-] cupcakezealot 64 points 3 months ago

they could have had all the hostages if they didn't reject the ceasefire proposal......

[-] bier@feddit.nl 23 points 3 months ago

Do you have any credible sources where Hamas made that promise? Because from what have read they never wanted to agree to releasing them

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[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago

... And massacred a bunch of Palestinians but they're not white so who cares amirite???

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[-] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

And this time IDF didn't shoot them!

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 36 points 3 months ago

the death toll of the operation is up to 274 palestinians and 3 hostages now.

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[-] juice702@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

Nice work IDF. Four alive hostages rescued is good news.

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 3 months ago

It is good.

I wonder how many other innocent people being murdered justifies saving other innocent people.

Can you kill 100 to rescue 4. What about 1000 or 10000.

The fact is they could have accepted any number of ceasefire deals to release these hostages, but they chose to keep murdering more people and further creating the next generation of Hamas signups.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

At what cost?

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

210 Palestinians killed according to the news reports.

Edit: 274 Palestinians killed.

How an Israeli raid freed 4 hostages and killed at least 274 Palestinians in Gaza

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Only in this particular operation. But the war had to get this far for them to conduct it. So the cost is exponentially higher.

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[-] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Amazing news!

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They saved the pretty young white girl, yay!

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Her mother is Chinese.

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Genuinely a nice result, but this war is fucking atrocious and totally elective.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Nice result except for the 200+ people they reportedly killed to achieve it.

[More than 200 Palestinians killed in Israel's operation to free hostages, UN say ] (https://www.itv.com/news/2024-06-08/palestinian-gaza-hostage-rescue-attack-killed)

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How an Israeli raid freed 4 hostages and killed at least 274 Palestinians in Gaza

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