Oh tell me again how it loads faster and takes up less resources : memes

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 103 points 7 months ago

FF is doing great. All the have to do now is the Steam strategy. Do nothing and wait for the competition to fuck themselves over.

[-] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

You mean hope that they too don't become subject to enshittification? I don't have a lot of faith in that.

Besides that, Google is controlling as fuck. They might keep fucking themselves over but there's no way they won't start attempting to ruin things for the rest of us.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 13 points 7 months ago

It seems Mozilla is not immune to the AI hype. I just hope their AI endeavour won't kill them when the AI hype finally ends.

[-] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 7 months ago

Thankfully the AI use is very tame so far, used for stuff like offline alt text generation and offline translation. I'm personally still concerned about copyrights and ethics of the models used, but at least it's directed towards providing specific features, not a magic cure-all.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 11 points 7 months ago

I'm more concerned with Mozilla spending its meager resources to chase some fads instead of focusing on improving firefox.

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 7 months ago

Thats the problem tho, the new mozilla leadership is on the "do anything but nothing" ship. I really hope they either dont do anything too horrible or someone forks it if they do.

[-] unusual_anarchist 8 points 7 months ago

there are already forks in place if you're dissatisfied with firefox like librewolf, floorp or the new one from mullvad

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Steam's strategy was to be first to market and essentially the only player in the game for a decade, making themselves the default.

[-] HKPiax@lemmy.world 74 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I love Firefox, but I can’t shake the feeling that it is slower on YouTube. My tinfoil hat theory is that Google somehow throttles YouTube on Firefox.

[-] cowfodder@lemmy.world 57 points 7 months ago

I'm pretty sure someone discovered that is true recently, but can't be assed to try to find it right now.

[-] steersman2484@sh.itjust.works 41 points 7 months ago

Here you go:

https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/17z8hsz/youtube_has_started_to_artificially_slow_down/

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[-] ace@lemmy.ananace.dev 19 points 7 months ago

One thing you can test is to apply a Chrome user-agent on Firefox when visiting YouTube. In my personal experience that actually noticeably improves the situation.

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[-] Norgur@fedia.io 13 points 7 months ago

Well, Google will probably optimize their shit for their own ~~privacy invasion sniffing tool~~ browser twice as hard as for Firefox and such

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 9 points 7 months ago

Google does that a lot with their own web properties. I remember Google Meet didn't support background replacement on Firefox, but switching Firefox's user agent to Chrome suddenly fixed it.

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[-] Safipok@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago

Firefox is good for webpages not web apps

[-] Norgur@fedia.io 10 points 7 months ago

That's a really weird take. Like… what even is the difference supposed to be?

This sounds more like “everything should be as it was back when ! When there were still Webpages, and we were frolicking about the internet! Until ~~the fire nation attacked~~ Web apps took over!”

[-] Onarock@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

What an oddly aggressive take on someone’s opinion

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 65 points 7 months ago

chrome used to be good. Emphasis on the past tense.

Firefox was always good. Chrome was very briefly better. Firefox has not suffered enshittification like chrome did.

[-] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

This. Firefox has always been just good. It wasn't great or anything, it was just a good browser. Then chrome came around and it had more, better features. It was a bit more memory usage, but those were for the additional features Firefox didn't have.

Firefox didn't really change a whole lot, it added synching features across accounts, and didn't get worse. It just stayed the same.

The people made Firefox better, because now they're creating add-ons for Firefox, where chrome had more.

I feel like once chrome got the majority of browser users, it immediately started going to shit. I have no proof of this, just a memory of it being better until it was announced that chrome was the most used browser, and the near immediate heavier memory usage.

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[-] GTG3000@programming.dev 19 points 7 months ago

I mean, I clearly remember firefox being terrible back when Chrome was just beginning to take off.

It was a lumbering monolith that ate all your ram and loaded pages at a glacial pace. Chrome was a multi-process revolution from that.

Then, firefox got it's shit together and chrome got overloaded with corpo bullshit.

[-] KrankyKong@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It used to take firefox ages to open. I switched back after the big update in the mid 2010s that made it good again.

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[-] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 59 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

People saying FF is slower: like how much slower? are we taking like 14 millisecond slower? Cause everything seems pretty instantaneous here. Maybe its because i'm old enough to remember DSL and 56k internet, but I think FF os crazy fast and even if Chrome would be 25% faster I wouldn't switch to evil google for that.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It used to be a lot slower, which is why when Chrome showed up with its shiny new V8 engine (and other features) people switched from Firefox en masse. Now the performance difference is no longer noticeable.

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[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 17 points 7 months ago

61 Firefox windows and 427 tabs (don't judge, I know I have a problem) and I have no performance complaints - admittedly, not all of them are active/rendering simultaniously, but still...

Firefox (and its forks) have been my go-to for 15 years.

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[-] MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

Honestly, I'm less worried about the speed and moreso I just don't like supporting Google's de facto monopoly of the Web's infrastructure.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

and ads.

ads are awful.

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[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Firefox is slower, not because it's worse, but Gecko is a minority engine in the web (~3-4%) and because of this the most webs are optimized for Blink. That is the only reason and because most current Browsers are using it, a devils circle. The result of leaving Google hands-free for too long and that for 20 years the number of available engines has remained stagnant (3 and some testimonial exotic forks) because it is the most complicated part of a browser. Little can be done now.

Well, Apples WebKit is even worse than Gecko, as a small consolation for FF users.

[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

If you're switching a couple extensions are uBlock origin and no script with Firefox, prevents most ads and lets you choose which hosts to accept JavaScript from temporarily or permanently.

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

noscript is your web condom. I will not touch a page without it.

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 14 points 7 months ago

I have been on the firefox train since it was new. I witnessed the rise of Chrome and Chromium, and never really felt the pull, and worried about everyone targeting the same platform. Figured I'd stay on FF until I had no choice. Don't see myself leaving.

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[-] doomkernel@sopuli.xyz 14 points 7 months ago

Firefox masterrace

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

I'm gonna be honest.

The main reason I don't like Firefox is the ui.

It's one of those things where I've been using chrome for so long that switching to anything else is infuriating. Trying to learn the layout and all the features. Trying to figure out how to do things that are intuitively design on Google.

If someone made pretty much a 1 to 1 copy of Google without all the bullshit I'd use it in a heartbeat.

[-] macgyver@federation.red 14 points 7 months ago

Well bud, you can literally customize Firefox with css. So get to learning

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

That's the worst part about all of this.

I don't even know what css is 😭

[-] macgyver@federation.red 10 points 7 months ago

It’s what makes HTML look fancy. You can also find something you already like https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/

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[-] chocosoldier 6 points 7 months ago

fuck it, where do i start? if spending a little bit of my time writing a css sheet results in Google losing market share i'm 1000% down.

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[-] erev@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

You can drag and drop your toolbar, extensions, and layout.

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[-] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago

Functionality wise, chrome is better than Firefox but it's bad when it comes to privacy and ads

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[-] papalonian@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I've switched to Firefox but there's definitely a few things that irritate me about it.

First thing is when I boot up my computer, launch Firefox, it launches long enough for me to click a bookmark then closes to perform an update. And then doesn't automatically reopen...

I also have it set to not "remember" my tabs after closing. Yet when I launch Firefox for the first time after rebooting or closing ally tabs, it gives me a "hmm.. we're having a hard time finding your previous session" message. Uh, yeah, I told you not to look for it.. can I just have the regular "new tab" page?

It also might just be because I'm used to chrome, but I feel the mobile app is severely lacking. I hate that I can't access my bookmarks directly from the new tab page, and that the tablet version doesn't show you your bookmark bar. The synchronization between mobile and desktop isn't great either, I'll have a very long specific search query that I've used multiple times on my phone, yet it doesn't offer it for auto-complete on desktop, I have to search the entire term again or go digging through my history. When you're searching long model numbers and the like, this is incredibly frustrating.

Finally, and I don't know if this is a Firefox issue, but there's some memory leak that occurs when viewing a webcam stream from my raspberry pi that only has happened in Firefox. The first time I noticed it happening my PC slowed to a crawl, when task manager finally opened Firefox was taking 23GB of RAM. So I have to use chrome to keep that steam open for more than a few minutes at a time.

[-] ftbd@feddit.de 7 points 7 months ago

I'm curious as to why Firefox is checking for updates, have you configured it to do so? I've never seen Firefox do that (and it feels weird to have a program sidestep the update mechanism of the package manager)

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[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Everything enshitifies... Everything, problem that worries me that, Firefox will enshitify like this too one day

[-] voodooattack@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Then it will be forked and the cycle continues.

[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

boss i'm tired of those cycles

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[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

At that point it will be forked yet again, and that fork will take over. Mozilla is a very active open source member though.

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[-] 6mementomori@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

does anyone recommend any Firefox alternatives? I genuinely hate Firefox's UI and keybinds and the scrolling tabs

[-] sga@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

you may not even have to change to another browser or fork, please have a look at some designs in https://trickypr.github.io/FirefoxCSS-Store.github.io/ select a design and follow the page, and you shall find the instructions (usually just downloading/pasting userChrome/Content.css)

and for scrolling tabs, if your problem is very small tab size, then try changing browser.tabs.tabMinWidth in about:config

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