Shit like this is exactly why competition is of utmost importance. The internet was never meant to be single-handedly controlled by a corporation with private interests, and more importantly, private pockets
If we don't see a somewhat significant rise in Firefox usage increases after this, then I fear that battle is already lost. People can complain a lot but doing something as easy as switching browsers seems to be the hardest thing for most of them.
Honestly I don't think most people know or even care.
Even if Firefox were to win it's still a bleak future because the ridiculously complexity and scope of browsers prevents new ones being made. Without the possibility of newcomers either the war never ends or there is one victor. We should start to abandon browsers in favor of apps that focus on each part of the browser (e.g. why does a browser need to render video to the screen when the user already has an app for that).
"Destroying an empire to win a war is no victory, and ending a battle to save an empire is no defeat."- Kahless
Fuck that. I'm not switching between apps for every god damn function my browser does. I intentionally decline to install apps when I can just use the browser.
You Grandma and her Chromebook don't care though. The numbers aren't in our favor, but Mozilla absolutely dominating in the features and privacy arenas is.
In my experience people have a poor understanding of the software they use, it just needs to continue working as it always has.
In retrospect maybe having the worlds most popular browser and the world's biggest advertiser be the same person, was a bad idea.
Calling it the "Googlenet" now. The rest of us that don't suck Google dick can stay on the actual Internet.
Same thing that happened with the internet also happened with capitalism. It's like you need some regulation to ensure competition. It could have been so awesome if we had what we were promised.
Manifest V2 phase out is a big deal, as Google is pushing towards Manifest 3 only. Google's version of Manifest 3 is hobbled by removing WebRequest blocking which breaks privacy and ad blocking tools - an obvious benefit to Google as an Ad and data harvesting company.
Firefox is implementing Manifest 3 with WebRequest blocking, as well as supporting Google's hobbled version declarativeNetRequest to allow compatibility with chrome extensions.
As far as I know there is no plan to phase out Manifest V2 at Mozilla. As long as V2 and V3 are active in parallel it shouldn't have a negative Impact on adblockers etc.
But at least Firefox is just compatibility, and not phasing out v2
Yeah, it's still worrisome. This makes Firefox a lynchpin for whether ad blocking works for the foreseeable future on the whole web.
Anyone still using Chromium or any of its derivatives (including Chrome) just needs to suck it up and admit it's the loser here. Use a Firefox derivative, it's just all around better in every single way.
I had to call someone using Microsoft Teams today. It does not work with Firefox, even if you spoof the user agent.
I don't know what's up with your setup, but this is untrue. I've used Firefox for teams in browser for years with no issues.
I’m using both Firefox as my daily browser, and Edge for school related stuff, Firefox is very often maxing out my CPU usage and I can’t figure out why
What options do you have if you still want to use uBlock Origin?
Thanks, great info
Firefox gang but still appreciated a couple of these reminders
We’ve always been clear that the goal of Manifest V3 is to protect existing functionality while improving the security, privacy, performance and trustworthiness of the extension ecosystem as a whole. We appreciate the collaboration and feedback from the community that has allowed us - and continues to allow us - to constantly improve the extensions platform.
"We've always been clear that the goal of our remote-unlockable front door product is to protect your family while improving the efficiency and safety of our field reconnaissance and repo unit. We appreciate your feedback that you really hate unannounced in-home data gathering incursions, and we are integrating that feedback going forward as we work to improve your interactions with our team. See you soon!"
Not if you stop using chromium based garbage!
The {"SHOP DEALS AT TEMU"} will continue until morale improves!
I’m just here to say fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Google.
Considering the community behind uBlock origin has no financial incentive, why are they still developing for chrome and manifest v3 while google keeps pulling off anti consumer and anti-adblock tactics, shouldn't they just drop chrome and orient people to use firefox or one of its derivatives.
gorhill already strongly suggests to use Firefox, but to drop Google Chrome altogether would leave millions of people stranded.
Maybe that would be a good thing, maybe it would force people onto Firefox?
You are underestimating how much bulshit people are willing to put up just to not have to make any change.
I recommend to read this response of a developer for Emacs to a user asking why stick to Microsoft's Github: https://protesilaos.com/codelog/2024-04-30-re-emacs-github-freedom-microsoft/
As much as I like Firefox/Librewolf, Vivaldi still has the upper hand in UI/UX. Workspaces, more feature-rich sidebar, one-click access to recently closed tabs right there in the tab bar, speed dial, tab stacks and other QoL stuff that makes just enough difference for me that I can't really daily-drive any other browsers. Until FF reaches feature parity (it's getting close, but still isn't quite there yet) I don't see myself migrating anytime soon. Quess I'll just need to rely more on AdGuard DNS and Vivaldi's built-in adblocker if uBlock becomes neutered on Chromium...
Many times stupid web pages don't load.... Call support and I'm told it only works in chrome.
Can't get away from it
So what, you keep an ungoogled-chromium around and use it occasionally for compatibility, if you really need to. Doesn’t mean you are obligated to use it as your daily driver.
Internet is dominated by Netscape, then crushed by MS giving its browser away.. Firefox steps in for a while and is great but starts to suck / get slow, google steps in people start to shift to google, everyone is on google... Wonder who steps in next.
There’s a lot more vendor lock in than there has been in the past. I don’t see there being a major change without legislation. It’s still too early to see how the EU’s DMA will affect market share, but it’s probably the best hope, even if it is limited to a few geographical areas.
There’s a lot more vendor lock in than there has been in the past. I don’t see there being a major change without legislation
LOL no.. ActiveX on IE was the ultimate lock in, and that is gone now.. Also we have A LOT of chromium based clones that don't have these restrictions.. It will still be a popularity contest.
Firefox however is limited by its in ability / unwillingness to license or implement some DRM features / Codecs which kind of sucks.
An even bigger restriction is how iOS just blocks all competing browser engines. It doesn’t matter what sites do or don’t require. If a site is broken in Safari, I just have to go use a different device. On all other operating systems you do have a bit more options, but they all pretty aggressively push you into using the manufacturer’s choice.
It becomes impossible to block ads in all browsers new forks will be made and the features we want will happen. The bar to spin and maintain a new browser is high but it's not impossible on there are a lot of people that want this
And who is going to do it? All these "open source" projects are financially backed by some corpos
Independent Web browsers in active development which use their own engine and (aim to) support modern Web standards:
Linux Foundation Europe's Servo
That's it.
I assume with chromium being open source that there will be an alternative compiled version without this nonsense?
That’s how it works for now, but eventually the code itself will be removed from chromium, not just disabled. At that point they’d have to maintain a large patch set reimplementing it, which would be extremely time intensive to maintain and keep secure.
There is - Firefox
Firefox is not chromium
I know, precisely. But it is an alternative without this nonsense, kinda the only one. And the only option to actually stop the Google monopoly that led to this.
My chrome phase-out finished years ago (though technically I was using a chromium-based browser and not chrome itself). Good riddance to that trash. Firefox all the way!
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