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[-] NotGeorge@lemmy.world 118 points 1 year ago

There's Noah way God would do something like that.

[-] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No way? Yahweh.

[-] starlinguk@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

I don't understand why people say "I trust God". He had his own son nailed to a cross, FFS.

People in the middle ages got it right. "I do what God tells me because he scares the crap out of me."

[-] SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net 12 points 1 year ago

I've been reading through the old stories for the first time in my life, and in my view, you can only read them through the lens of a series of allegorical lessons intended to warn about consequences that do take place in the real world, and those consequences can be beyond lethal.

History will wipe your entire bloodline out if you make bad enough mistakes. Ask the Hitlers.

[-] Someone@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

That’s the way they were taught to me, but I’m starting to think I was pretty lucky with my schools/parish. There was no sex ed though so not that lucky.

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[-] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

I’d say the vast majority of “christians” have not read and do not understand the Bible. They cherry pick whatever they think translates to their modern day agenda. The problem is, their cherry picking is a someone else’s translated, cherry picked verse that gets lost in translation. A proverbial game of telephone if you will. At the end of the day, it’s all nonesense for stupid people that impacts MY life and I’m fucking sick of it.

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

I was raised Catholic, went to a Catholic high school (was voted most likely to become a priest), and now I'm firmly an atheist. I read the bible multiple times and had a few bible study classes.

It's consistently amazing to me how little most christians know about what's in the bible. It's always entertaining to see their reactions when I correct them during an argument, or even when they say things like "The Bible says God won't give you more than you can handle" or "God helps those who help themselves." Those things, and lots of others that people attribute to the bible aren't in there anywhere. A lot of times it feels like I'm discussing a movie with someone who only read a review of it.

[-] Someone@feddit.uk 29 points 1 year ago

I was raised catholic. Nursery, primary, high school and sixth form. Church every week. Extra lessons at the church in preparation for the sacraments. I was even an altar server for a time. I think I must have pretty lucky with the parish priest/my teachers though because I the most important thing that was drilled into us was the “golden rule” - treat others as you wish to be treated. Even as a child I knew the Old Testament stories were just that - stories. We were never ever taught that god hated anyone no matter what. We were also taught about other religions and not in “these idiots got it wrong” way. Judaism and Islam were taught as basically the same as Christianity but with a different idea of who Jesus was. I took Christian theology and philosophy A level and had a fantastic teacher. We spent hours debating the existence of god and we were never told we were wrong if we no longer believed by then. There’s a name for it I’ve forgotten now, but we compared the gospels to look for inconsistencies and examined what that meant for their validity. You were never expected just to believe for beliefs sake. I’m not catholic anymore, I have too many issues with the Church. But it’s shocking how unchristian the current brand of American fundamental/evangelical Christians are. It’s just so far from anything I was ever taught.

[-] MrBakedBeansOnToast@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Most, if not all, monotheistic religions can be very loving or very hateful, depending on what the people make of it. At least that is my personal experience in Catholic Christianity and Islam.

[-] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You’re spot on. Unfortunately, I’ve ran into far more hateful than loving. Fake loving for appearances, yes. Actual loving, no.

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[-] VubDapple@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

Not only hasn't read the bible. Also hasn't seen The Ten Commandments which definitely shows god creating a deadly plague. Charlton Heston would like a word.

[-] lamentforicarus@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Or Prince of Egypt which has one of the best soundtracks and great animation. I'm not a Christian but even I know about the damn plague that got those little Egyptian kids.

[-] neoman4426@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hell, not only does YHWH kill many innocent children, a big part of the story is how he literally brainwashes the pharaoh to have an excuse to do so. YHWH explicitly "hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him"

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[-] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Or seen The Prince of Egypt. “The Plagues” is one of the best tracks on a hell of a soundtrack.

[-] BornVolcano@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I send a pestilence, a plague

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

That's the beauty of Christianity.

The Bible is so full of contradictions that you can get it to fit any worldview you want.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Only if simultaneously being willfully obtuse and ignorant.

For example, in Mark, Matthew, and Luke, Jesus forbids those going out to minister from brining a purse or money.

This necessarily prevents monetary collections.

So why is the church okay with taking your money today?

In part, rationalized by Paul's arguments in 1 Cor 9 against the earlier Christian community there that don't think it's appropriate to profiteer off ministering.

But then even more, at the last supper in Luke, Jesus explicitly says "Hey guys, remember when I said not to carry purses? Let's reverse that and now definitely carry purses."

Except this addition to the last super in Luke-Acts is missing in Marcion's version of that gospel, which is probably preserving the earliest extant version of it.

So while yes, you could in theory fit Jesus in the NT to agree with Paul that churches and those ministering have a right to profit from it and should definitely collect money from people (like they do in Acts 5 where an older couple who holds back money are both struck dead before Peter) - an even halfway critical eye should see that the historical Jesus was far more likely to have been against such practices given the widespread accounts of his ban, the earlier attitudes in Corinth, its embarrassing nature to be added in after already collecting money, and the late nature of the reversal.

And to see that much like biological evolution, ideas evolve over time too, and the version of Christianity we have today isn't necessarily the one closest to the original form, but simply the form that was most adaptive through the fall of the Jerusalem temple, the endorsement of Rome, etc.

So yes, few people might know or see it this way, but that is largely because they don't bother looking into their preconceptions and would rather believe a superficial picture that agrees with what they think they know (and I'm not only talking about Christians here either).

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[-] Tyfud@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago

Except the one that actually makes the world a better place.

[-] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

"Tattoos are a sin."

"Dad, you have a tattoo."

"Yeah, but Jesus forgave me."

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I kind of want a "Leviticus 19:28" tattoo, but a bunch of idiot Christians will think I'm one of them.

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[-] Sarcastik@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

This coming from the politician having orgies and cheating on her husband with her CrossFit gym owner.

I could give a shit, but the hypocrisy is real.

Exodus 20:17

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

MTG a cheater? No way, I always thought she was a woman of faith. SMH ... /s

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[-] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 year ago

If god created humans, then anything that humans do is technically god's fault... isn't it?

[-] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Nah, that's Section 230 where the creator isn't responsible for what its users do.

[-] SeanT@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Nah, they have that covered with the free will clause.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Or it's the work of Satan, who doesn't actually have free will, but get to do evil things because otherwise you'd be blaming god for killing a bunch of people. Although, in the one place where Satan is doing things in the bible, it's god that does all the killing.

god kills Job's family so that he can brag to Satan about how much Job loves him.

[-] lachs@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago
[-] snooggums@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Something something mysterious ways.

Like that U2 song.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Now you're getting into Calvinist territory lol

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[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

no no don't you see that's a facile argument? sky daddy gave us free will to do evil so we had to choose him because... that is... because there... uhm

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[-] Saneless@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

If God and Satan each held out a hand and said "come with me, I'll keep you safe and totally won't kill you"

I'm going with Satan. Way better odds

[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I'll always think of Jim Jefferies on this topic.

The bible, that’s god book, as far as I know the devil hasn’t brought out a book yet, haven’t heard his side of the argument. God’s just writing shit about him, and the devil’s being the bigger man and saying I’m not even going to comment, talking shit about me like that.

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[-] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The ten plagues of Egypt:

[-] Cybermass@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Well that's because she is Lilith

[-] Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Hey, you be nice to Lilith. This sloppy excuse for a fetid meatsac calling itself MTG has nothing on the Mother of Monsters.

[-] Freshfrozenplasma@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Wait til she hears about cancer

[-] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Someone needs to rewatch the documentary "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

[-] halvar@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Nah, He over that phase now, was kind of childish to begin with. Now it's "why make a deadly plague, if the chinese are going to do it anyway?"

[-] III@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

God works in mysterious ways.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Oh come on, he only killed a couple of million.

I mean, it's more than I've managed, but he's no Stalin.

[-] Naia 6 points 1 year ago

For some reason the only way can interpret this is she's saying the bubonic plague was a bio weapon... Or any other plague in history, including the ones "God" takes responsibility for in the Bible.

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