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[-] millie@beehaw.org 69 points 1 year ago

The laws of quantum mechanics are confusing, predicting that particles are also waves and that cats are simultaneously alive and dead.

Okay, so, like, that's punchier writing than the actual truth, but how am I supposed to buy anything else about physics in the article after that? The level of oversimplification of relatively commonly known concepts does not give me confidence that the rest won't be pop sci drivel.

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Luckily you can check out the author’s bio right from the article:

Dr. Don Lincoln is a Senior Scientist at Fermilab, America’s leading particle physics laboratory, who has coauthored over 1,500 scientific papers. He was a member of the teams that discovered the top quark in 1995 and the Higgs boson in 2012.

[-] millie@beehaw.org 26 points 1 year ago

Okay well maybe I'll circle back to it, then. Maybe bad science writing has made me a little cynical.

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

A bit of cynicism is always healthy!

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago

Oh snap, so this guy is on the faaaaaaaar side of the bell curve wearing the hood and agreeing with me. Well played.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

The guy just invents particles and you think we should trust him?

j/k

[-] burgersc12@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

The concepts are basically right arent they?

[-] millie@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, they're both at least illustrative I guess. In the case of particles and waves I may be quibbling a bit over the distinction that something is a particle or a wave versus exhibiting the properties of one or the other.

In the case of Schrodinger's cat, the thought experiment suggests that if the life or death of the cat is tied to the collapse of the state vector, an eigenstate of the two implies simultaneous life and death. But the varying interpretations of this problem aren't so straightforward as 'both dead and alive', and it's kind of misleading to just leave it at that.

Personally, I find it odd that they'd discount the cat's own awareness of the state vector's collapse. Obviously when the atom decays and kills it, it's going to know before you are regardless of the presence of cardboard.

It just seems like a lot of kind of imprecise throw-away mentions of more complex ideas for one sentence. But again, maybe I'm being cynical.

[-] Sas@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

And the cat observes it but that doesn't mean that the cat is now in a discrete state that is either alive or dead. It is both and will stay both and you'll only see which version of the cat is in your world. At least according to the many worlds theory which makes sense to me

[-] burgersc12@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think he was planning to explain these concepts, just hint at them to the layman reading thr article who probably barely know what Schodinger's cat is.

[-] astrsk@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Shrodinger’s cat wasn’t some simplified lesson for the layman. It wasn’t even an explanation. It was a commentary about the quantum model itself and how the current state of the model is laughably incomplete and unable to adequately answer or predict anything of value (yet). It wasn’t until more recently that some Newtonian physics might be explainable as emergent properties of quantum mechanics, but we are still a long ways away from a unified or blurred model.

https://betterexplained.com/articles/gotcha-shrodingers-cat/

[-] stembolts@programming.dev 41 points 1 year ago

Ah good, so I can tell my therapist I'm no longer a nihilist but a quantum foamer.

This is great.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 30 points 1 year ago

Conceptually, the nihilists are right! Nothing does matter.

[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago
[-] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

I hate and love this. Thanks 💜

[-] Juno@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Matters to me.

[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago

Quantum foam has been a mainstream thought for some time. It is referenced extensively in Michael Crichton's 1999 novel Timeline in which a sort of multiverse time travel is achieved by scientists using some vague method based on quantum science.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago

Can quantum particles be blocked or contained or otherwise impeded from entering a vessel?

Are they truly just appearing and disappearing or do they just move so fast (like, faster than C) that it only appears that way?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Nope, they actually appear and disappear. The idea is that even in vacuum there's a certain amount of background energy and that energy can randomly turn into matter-antimatter pairs in what is basically the inverse of matter-antimatter annihilation.

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

What is the ontology of a concept or idea? If nothing doesn't exist materially but strictly conceptually, does it not exist or is there a different term one should employ to refer to it? 🤔

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's that they're using a more normal people term. They probably wanted to say vacuum.

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think Wikipedia articles about zero-point energy and quantum-foam explain this well.

Btw, wasn't there an experiment with a laser vibrating a nano-particle with nearly lightspeed, separating the particle & anti-particle pair before annihilation, creating matter from nothing?

Ah, btw, Casimir effect.

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