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[-] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 127 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What I would like to know is if tablets like this are being scanned digitally into three dimensions so that they can be reproduced. I feel like everything we find from antiquity needs to be scanned this way. With humans constantly going to war destroying history, I'd hate the idea of losing things like this forever.

UPDATE: And thus a journey down the interwebs rabbit hole begins. I need better internet and PC to check this out more later, but answering my own question, here's the entrance to the rabbit hole should others wish to venture with a few examples:

[-] lemmingnosis@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Didn’t all kinds of antiquities get destroyed in Iraq? Totally irreplaceable stuff.

As you alluded, probably common in many places. How sad.

[-] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

Most recently I remember it happening really really badly within Syria. Very intentional destruction. But yes, it happens all the time--Iraq included. With the technology we have now, we can preserve a lot of it (digitally at least).

I hate how it's so damn hard to find these things and yet so easy to destroy it.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

A lot was destroyed but a lot of it was looted and and sold to sleazy collectors. Remember when the guy who owns Hobby Lobby got caught buying looted artifacts?

Still horrible, obviously, but at least there’s some hope looted items will be recovered.

[-] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 1 year ago

I wonder how many artifacts could be recovered if we could search all the rich people mansions...

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yea ISIS and other extremist groups like to destroy evidence of their ancestor’s greatness for some reason.

Lesser sons of lesser sons

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[-] billgamesh@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

There's also the https://cdli.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/about Obviously, losing a dimension isn't great but still pretty cool

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 96 points 1 year ago

I knew Pythagoras was smart but I never knew he invented time travel. So cool!

[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I took the opposite tack.

You ain't shit, Pythagoras! You just wrote it down, you didn't figure it out, you absolute fucking fraud. We're taking your immortality back!

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Quick! Change all the textbooks to “clay tablet theorem”!

[-] maniii@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Why not call it the Summerian Theorem ? Or Arabic/Persian/Philistine Triangulation Theorem ?

[-] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

And he invented plagiarism too!

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

nah he probably stole that as well.

[-] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Poor poor Plagiar, everything he invented people stole and took credit for.

[-] fishbone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The Plagiarian theorem is a real bummer.

[-] uriel238 88 points 1 year ago

This makes a strong case on the discovery side of the discovery vs. invention controversy.

Ironically, my dad idolized Pythagoras and the notion of discovering a scientific fundamental to be remembered for thousands of years, for which the secret is not to actually do science, but raise a cult of scientists who attribute their inventions to you. Like Thomas Edison.

[-] No1@aussie.zone 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

raise a cult

*cough* Elon Musk *cough*

[-] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Edison, Watson/Crick, Musk, Jobs....I hope today it's much harder to get away with being an idea stealing tool bag since the internet has competent archivers, sans working under a company that owns anything you make.

[-] SoleInvictus 1 points 1 year ago

As in turns out, Watson and Crick may not have actually stolen anything from Rosalind Franklin after all. If you're interested, I found an article I read regarding it about a year back. A couple of researchers provide some interesting info and context that make the original data stealing narrative less certain.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/rosalind-franklin-dna-structure-watson-crick

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was most of the Greeks. We credit Democritus with atomism even though the Greeks said it came from an earlier Phoenician, Mochus of Sidon. Even Democritus's teacher doesn't get credit.

Democritus wrote it down in a way that survived.

That's it.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Not really. The Pythagorean theorem (or whomever you want to credit for it) assumes plane geometry. It’s not true in general.

Plane geometry is the invention that makes all of the math work. The earth is not a flat plane (not even close to flat pretty much anywhere). If you want to do Pythagorean-like calculations between cities on earth, for example, you’ll get a much more accurate result with spherical geometry operating on geodesics. Unfortunately, spherical triangles not obey the Pythagorean theorem!

[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

🎶 They say Thomas Edison he’s the man to bring us into this century

And that man is me…

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago
[-] billgamesh@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago

Cuneiform scripts were frequently coppied by scribes, so the theorem could be even older

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

A handful of people can be credited with discovering the theorem prior to Pythagoras, this isn't the first time this has come up, and incidentally there is almost no evidence to suggest Pythagoras did.

[-] billgamesh@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Good to know! TBH, I'm specifically excited to see it was present in the fertile crescent. I really like clay tablets.

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[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

I think that this theorem is at least as old as the pyramids.

[-] billgamesh@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The recent "Fall of Civilizations" podcast talks a lot about the history of the pyramids. They may still have known a lot about geometery, but the slopes and angles involved in the pyramid building seem to have been trial and error as much as anything

[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

A few days ago I was building a Lego set and had to go back 10 steps because of a mistake and that made me very angry.

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The pyraamids are way more complex and accurate as been build only by trial and error. It's architects knew exactly what they were doing and also geometric theorema way more complex as the one of "Phytagoras", as shown also in other ancient buildings, which are still difficult to reproduce by modern architects.

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[-] Juice@midwest.social 23 points 1 year ago

I thought it was pretty well established that Pythagoras didn't invent it, he was just the leader of a Math and Murder cult so he stole it

[-] SoleInvictus 11 points 1 year ago

"Math and Murder Cult" sounds metal as hell. I'd join.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I bet Pythagoras had substandard copper too

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Pythagoras has superior copper. All other thagoras has inferior copper.

[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

This is one of the reasons why we shouldn't name things after people.

[-] Muffi@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

This, and the fact that most stuff is invented by teams and not individuals. I think our tendency to name after a single person helps keep the hero/savior/Messiah complex of western society alive, and blinds us to the power of community and cooperation. It's like "individual-washing" the past.

[-] mukt@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Isn't this common knowledge that the Indians knew the theorem well before Pythagorus?

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Yes and also I have a hard time believing the builders if the great pyramid didn't understand it in some capacity either. They just didn't have symbolic algebra to express it the way we do .

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[-] kromem@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I feel like at this point I've seen this story in 1,000 year old reposts.

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

What a classic situation. Some hype man taking credit.

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

And garden of eden as well as the story with a baby in a basket in Nil, are already in Atrahasis epos, from which Gilgamesh epos copied btw.

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

people joined a cult because of this theorem. that must be awkward

[-] anarchist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
[-] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

because understanding the history of our technology gives anthropologists a better way to determine what we were capable of in our earliest stages of civilization. because understanding the history of us is important to understanding who we are. do you really not see the value in knowledge?

[-] cupcakezealot 1 points 1 year ago

yah but pythagoras is the new bob

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