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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Surely punching left will convince leftists that siding with backstabbing liberals will work this time!

I'm likely voting for Biden, for what it's worth, but wouldn't your goals be better served by trying to work with leftists and unalienate them from the electoral process, rather than opting for the shame route? The entire reason why Biden is losing leftist votes is because liberals have been punching left, rather than trying to build a coalition, thus alienating leftist voices.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Surely punching left will convince leftists that siding with backstabbing liberals will work this time!

lmao

I’m likely voting for Biden, for what it’s worth, but wouldn’t your goals be better served by trying to work with leftists and unalienate them from the electoral provess, rather than opting for the shame route? The entire reason why Biden is losing leftist votes is because liberals have been punching left, rather than trying to build a coalition, thus alienating leftist voices.

Yep, sure, it's definitely been the mean ol' shitlibs- I mean, liberals, who are always punching left. Those poor wittle folk who say "I see literally no difference between liberals and fascists!" just need a nice pat on the head and are definitely willing and eager to work with liberals, if only someone said a few nice words to them.

Sorry for not affording them the respect that fascist enablers apparently 'deserve'.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago

Glad you could clear up that you aren't actually interested in getting Biden to win, and wish to not build up a coalition.

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[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago

Any rising fascism inside the US pales in comparison to the actual fascism that is and has been its foreign policy. And that's bipartisan consensus.

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[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

"If you don't vote for genocide, your actually voting for trump 🤓 "

I'm still voting 3rd party and the blue state I live in will still give genocide Joe my vote so don't worry OP. We'll continue to provide weapons to the country that just has whistle blowers leak evidence on concentration camps. Good to know that concentration camps aren't a deal breaker for you. 😮‍💨

[-] hark@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Anything to excuse biden and his support for genocide. No need to put pressure on the guy supporting genocide, just on the people who won't toe the line. If you've ever wondered how the holocaust could've been allowed to happen, just look in the mirror.

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

americans are so dumb that they cannot choose between more than two things.

[-] kinther@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Someone doesn't understand the electoral system we have and feels superior for being ignorant

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[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 months ago

Extra panel: Americans with all their guns not using them, yet acting as if shits serious.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 months ago

The same thing will continue happening regardless who is elected. You didn't progress to genocide from one day to the next, this was a slow cook over the last 50 years which wasn't affected at all by the ruling puppet.

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

To be honest, I already wasn't voting for Biden because of his record of mass incarceration, support for the Iraq War, and ghoulish complicity in every major problem the country is facing today. The fact that he's fully and unwaveringly supporting Israel's genocide is entirely on brand and just makes the decision even easier than before. Four years ago, those concerns were the ones liberals were saying you had to hold your nose and look past, now they're not even on the radar anymore and it's moved on to significantly worse things. It's a perfect example of how the democrats move discourse to the right.

The US political system is truly vile in how it effectively brainwashes people into supporting genocide. Even in this thread you can see people defending Israel and saying it's "necessary" for the US to support them, not even sticking to their lesser evilist line but just openly saying it's a good thing for Biden to support them. Once people choose a camp they just end up knee-jerk defending their decision and adopting positions of their candidate to simplify their cognitive dissonance. In some ways, it's worse than a straight up autocracy because of how it manipulates people while still not allowing people any meaningful voice.

Of course the lapdogs of the empire are more than happy to not only adjust their own beliefs into whatever the elites want, but to then browbeat anyone trying to stand against it. Because to them, the positions of our rulers are completely immutable while the moral convictions of voters are up for debate.

What liberals like OP will never understand is that no matter how real the threat of violence towards me is, it will never be enough to convince me to endorse genocide. At least I can go to my grave with a clean conscience, and that's not worth much but it's worth a hell of a lot more than anything Biden would do for me.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Because to them, the positions of our rulers are completely immutable while the moral convictions of voters are up for debate.

A million times, this.

By far the worst aspect of liberalism is the deflection of systemic critique in favor of blaming the individual instead. When liberal democracy fails it won't be because people didn't vote hard enough, it will be because the system failed to respond to the needs of the governed.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

"Vote for me, or else"

Lmao no. Threatening us with authoritarian rule isn't going to work. It didn't stop us from doing drugs, and it's not going to force us to vote for you.

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