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I know they're supposed to be good for the environment but... God I hate those caps.

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[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 112 points 7 months ago

Yes I hate them as well, they always get in the way and putting the cap back on is super annoying.

However, since these bottles were introduced data has shown they work. Bottle caps were one of the most found items in trash picked up from the streets. The number of bottle caps has gone way down since these were introduced.

So I've accepted them. Can't argue with data. I've never returned a bottle without a cap in my life. I've never thrown away a cap separate from the bottle. But turns out the world is full of psychopaths who throw the cap in the street. Probably the same kind of person who throws their trash by the side of the road from their car. Fuck those people.

[-] polle@feddit.de 26 points 7 months ago

Can you link the source of the data? I wondered, if this actually helps at all.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC108181

Most relevant here is that they found significantly more caps than bottles, indicating that they get lost. Also lots of other single-use plastics there practically everything that can be avoided has been hit by the banhammer. Oh, cigarette butts I'd expect them to mandate those to be biodegradable in the future.

Things such as fibres from fishing nets and unidentifiable pieces of polystyrene and stuff of course don't get addressed by this, but that's not the point the point is to do what can be done.

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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

That’s interesting. I haven’t paid attention to caps in litter.

Here they ask that you separate caps and throw them out, to make recycling the bottle easier. Even if you do a bottle return, haven’t done that in years since we have recycling, but the machine shreds the bottle and pops the top off into a separate bin, I always assumed trash

[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 65 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I agree with the mission of this new cap, but my thoughts were this: Coca Cola, PepsiCo, these brands are... so inhumanly big, their budgets are SO extremely deep and large. And this cap? This cap is the best they could come up with? There is not a grain of my being that can believe that. What I do know about these corporations, is that they hate working together to reduce waste. Anytime a bottle deposit system is expanded they basically stamp the floor angrily until the law forces them to adapt or get out, at which point they use the new hated rules in their marketing as if the planet was all they were thinking about all along. Right..

This cap is essentially psychological warfare against the consumer, to form negative thoughts about being responsible with plastic waste. It's purpose is to make you angry about the new rule, while still adhering to it.

Fuck you big food products inc, I hope we introduce a deposit system on fucking everything so you can all sit in the boardroom and cry about it.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 22 points 7 months ago

their budgets are SO extremely deep and large. And this cap? This cap is the best they could come up with?

You're assuming that there was an expensive program to replace the entire bottling line and redesign the bottles in order to meet the EU regulation while achieving satisfactory user experience.

What likely happened is that the engineers in charge of the cap design were told to change as little as possible and came up with a design that only required changing the cap moulds. Everything else got to stay the same, saving the company's budget for other things

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago

Yes and no: The bottling lines don't get replaced, and in fact the EU checked beforehand that they won't need to be replaced because otherwise the whole thing might've been an undue burden on the industry and they would have to make a closer evaluation, give the industry more time to switch, etc. The new caps can be screwed on by the old machines and if not, only cheap parts need replacing.

OTOH bottle cap manufacturers very much did do their homework, or at least the ones producing good caps that beverage companies will buy did it as no beverage company wants to be the one with the awkward caps. That's not to say that there's not bad designs out there but those will vanish. Also some consumers seem to have skill issues, like not latching the cap into the open position.

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[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago

If I was the EU, I'd force these shits to get back to 1.5L reusable glass bottles with metal caps.

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[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 62 points 7 months ago

Am i the only person that likes the new caps? They prevent me from dropping them

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

Like them too. Felt odd when I got one the first time, but now I just don't mind it. The cap doesn't get in the way, and it's easy to put back on

[-] luckystarr@feddit.de 12 points 7 months ago

They are really well designed too. They lock into place when flipped 180 degrees (drinking mode) and don't interfere at all while drinking.

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[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 57 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don't get it.

It stays open, you can drink from it, you can pour from it, you can pour into it.

What action does the cap staying attached prevent, warranting its detachment?

I'm seriously asking. I don't get it. What inconvenience?

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 45 points 7 months ago

Maybe your bottles are different, but the bottles here in Germany have a very short "leash" and are often connected to the right in two places, so it constantly pushes in your face when drinking.

If an actual problem would have been solved, I'd be fine with it, but it's just a pointless law which only exists to create the illusion of progress and shift blame onto consumers.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago

Rotate the bottle 90 degrees so the cap goes to the side of your face rather than mashing it into your nose.

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 40 points 7 months ago

...then it scratches my cheek.

Why is it so hard to understand that a useless piece of plastic in your face might be unpopular?

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

I guess because I've got used to it now and it's entirely a non-issue in my life, I wouldn't say it scratches my cheek at all.

If it means less microplastic in the sea, I'm all for it

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 9 points 7 months ago

And even that is dubious.

How many of the caps are actually reaching the ocean and is that actually a way to reduce that?

I mean, how about a European refund system? Works perfectly fine in Germany and actually makes recycling a bit easier?

These caps are empty gestures as I described above.

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[-] gerryflap@feddit.nl 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Many of the new bottle caps I encounter will actively push back into the closed position, meaning I have to keep them out of the way when pouring if I don't want to pour over the cap. Since I tend to encounter them on drink cartons rather than bottles, because I don't drink soda etc, it becomes even more annoying. Bottles you can turn whichever way, but drink cartons need to be kept at a certain angle for optimal pouring. Quite often the cap is in the way and there isn't really a nice place to put it.

This is even more frustrating because I never lost these caps anyway, I always threw them away with the packaging. I understand that it probably helps in the bigger picture, but for me personally it solves nothing and is incredibly annoying.

Edit: two examples

This one is fine, it snaps into a position that's handy and out of the way:

This one is very annoying. It'll stay in this position and requires constant force to keep out of this position. When opening or closing the packaging the attachment point also rotes, meaning it's always in the wrong place:

[-] Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Funnily enough, I despise with every cell of my body the first cap. When opening the first time, it always create a mess by shooting liquid everywhere. And after that, it feels fo flimsy that it would break any second.

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[-] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 9 points 7 months ago

The ones on the soda bottles are attached so closely to the ring that it makes it hard to put the cap back on. Because they are attached on one side, you always put the cap on at an angle which prevents you from screwing it closed. You have to pull the cap up a bit while closing to ensure it goes on straight. It’s a minor annoyance but half of the time it takes multiple attempts to put the cap back on.

[-] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 7 months ago

The people complaining about that are mostly the same as the ones who complained that the masks were "suffocating" them during covid.

[-] Summzashi@lemmy.one 11 points 7 months ago

Oh shut the fuck up, that's not true at all. It can be annoying without it being some kind of nefarious political issue. What a cynical person you are.

[-] Virku@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 7 months ago

That's not the case in Norway. We hate them equally. I hate it with a passion. Wore my mask dilligently without a fuss. Still do when I am sick and need to go to a shop.

I find it especially infuriating when driving a car. It is so hard getting it to seal properly one handed now.

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[-] red@sopuli.xyz 48 points 7 months ago
[-] hark@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago

Turn the bottle 90 degrees?

[-] redisdead@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

It gets in the way anyway. And the amount of times I was pouring myself a drink and the cap snapped shut spilling shit everywhere is too damn high.

And when you try to screw it back on it just doesn't fit properly.

But anyway instead of endlessly complaining about it I just twist it off because I am not a baby.

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[-] Shou@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

First world problems

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

People that can't use their brain should not be our baseline for making stuff.

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[-] Muscar@discuss.online 41 points 7 months ago

I seriously don't understand how people have problems with these, they're absolutely fine. Not hard to use, doesn't get in the way and you'll never lose them. And if all else fails you can just pull them off, not hard either. You gotta be dumb as fuck to have problems with them.

As with anything else, I'm absolutely certain this is the classic "something changed so I'm going to be mad about it and make up a bunch of reasons why it's bad" thing that happens to every little change anywhere. And what is some tiny inconvenience compared to lessening plastic waste, helping the environment and hurting less living beings? Stop being such spoiled little shits and pull your heads out of your asses.

[-] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago

There definitely is an element of people just not liking it because it's new, but there's also an element of not getting any say in it whatsoever.
Also, they really do get in the way. They make it harder to get a good seal between your mouth and the bottle at any angle, and at the top they hit your nose. They are slightly harder to use, especially if you're using one hand for any reason, including if you only have one hand. Removing them without tools results in a sharp bit of plastic which pokes and irritates your skin.
Finally, this is another patronising effort which makes consumers lives more difficult (by whatever amount) while not doing enough to combat plastic waste.

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[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 30 points 7 months ago

I did too, but I've actually gotten used to it now

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

Tbh this, when you actually just leave it properly attached it's not much different from a water bottle lid at that point

[-] nicerdicer2@sh.itjust.works 30 points 7 months ago

As it has been pointed out by others, research data shows that plastic bottle caps are a significant part of trash that is washed onto beaches. In order to prevent that bottles now come with tethered caps. From this point of view this measurement might be understandable. But does one really lose the caps of these bottles that often? Is this really the problem?

Where I live these kind of bottles are part of a deposit system. When you return them at a supermarket you get your deposit (25 Cent) back. This alone ensures that these bottles barely end up anywhere in the enviroment in the first place. When these bottles are returned at the supermarket, all of the bottles do have their respective caps screwed on. This method is practical, as you can collect these bottles wtihout having to deal with leakages of excess liquids.

I never had any issues regarding that the cap is still attached to the bottle, which could be an issue when it comes to recycling these bottles. One major problem when it comes to recycling of plastics is that it is crucial that these plastics are separated by the material they are made of. That is why it is impossible to recycle compound materials, as they can't be separated from each other (i.e. tetra pak, tetra bric). The most common way of getting rid of these kind of packings is to burn them and use their heat for generating electricity.

These plastic bottles on the other hand can be recycled easily, as they consist of only one material (PET) - given, that the label is made of the same kind of plastic like the bottle itself.

I don't know if the bottle cap is made of the same material (PET) or if this is another kind of plastic (ABS, PS, ...). Making these bottle caps from the same material as the bottle itself would impose a greater impact than tethering them onto the bottle.

At first glance this measurement sounds like a low-hanging-fruit-greenwashing-attempt that hurts nobody. Very similar to the ban of disposable plastic cutlery or the ban of plastic straws. Don't get me wrong - I think that these things are an important step towards reducing pollution and garbage overall, but did you ever ask yourself: "How does the garbage get into the ocean in the first place?"

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

„Im so inconvenienced by the piece of trash i bought wanting to stay a single piece of trash”

Humans as they discovered they made a small continent out of trash in the ocean. If it bothers you so much then stop buying plastic trash.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 11 points 7 months ago

„Im so inconvenienced by the piece of trash i bought wanting to stay a single piece of trash” // Humans as they discovered they made a small continent out of trash in the ocean. If it bothers you so much then stop buying plastic trash.

People are clearly complaining about how the feature was implemented. Not the goal (to keep it as a single piece of trash).

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[-] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 7 months ago
[-] pop@lemmy.ml 20 points 7 months ago

I have kids and I don't hate not losing caps.

[-] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 7 months ago

Thanks for broadening my perspective.

[-] febra@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

I'm honestly so confused as to why people care. I honestly barely notice the difference

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[-] olutukko@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

just use it as intended instead of trying to rip it off

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[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I know they're supposed to be ~~good~~ less damaging for the environment but... God I hate those caps.

[-] swampwitch@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I recycle everything so personally don't have much need for the tether, but it's probably better overall and I imagine most people will just get used to it, honestly.

It is a bit annoying having to make sure my nose doesn't get bonked when I drink, though.

[-] squigglycunt@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

i just opened a strawberry juice from a bottle with the cap attached and when i pushed it far enough so it doesnt mash against my face, it clicked and sprayed me with juice that is now forever gonna stain my shirt

fuck these caps

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