I would mind less if the American auto industry was producing affordable lightweight EVs...
Or cars with any level of quality.
Best we can do is a four ton truck.
To that end, this means we would need to lower standards, use some forced labor, and increase taxes to increase subsidies in order to compete.
Republicans would shoot down the subsidies.
No it literally wouldn't. It's absolutely possible to produce smaller lightweight vehicles with the exact same standards. But unfortunately we've all been pushed towards larger vehicles. Simply because they make more money on them.
The push towards large vehicles was due to the fact that they used a truck chassis, and were exempt from safety and emissions requirements of a “car”
Unfortunately producing a smaller affordable car for the average person would fall under "lower standards" 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Just producing EV versions of Honda Fit or Ford Fiesta like what the Chinese EV makers do is enough. Instead, they keep producing EVs with luxury features (and high price tags) then surprised people won't buy them without subsidy.
Then China shouldn’t subsidize its manufacturers’ exports while increasing the burden for foreign companies to compete internally. If anyone thinks China cornering the global EV market is a good long term plan, they are naive.
The US subsidizes american car companies too. Pot calling the kettle and all.
I don't see how they're going to pass the safety regulations here and in the EU. A ton of their ICE vehicles never made it here because they're dangerously designed and built.
The Volvo EX30 is based on a Geely platform, made in China, and does well in the EU (won several Car of the Year awards).
MG (SAIC/Roewe) also has no trouble selling in the EU.
Chinese manufacturers can make regulatory-conforming cars when the market demands it of them. If the market wants cheap and doesn't demand safety, they can do that too.
"We want expensive American EVs that most people can't afford, not cheap Chinese ones....."
China is subsidizing EV production and selling cars below cost. Allowing them to be sold in the US would kill the domestic EV market. How is that better for Americans?
Americans get cheaper EVs and the legacy auto industry gets taught a valuable lesson as companies who refused to modernize go bankrupt.
Americans get cheaper EVs...
For a few years, until the American automakers go bankrupt, as you said, then the Chinese automakers increase prices 10x.
...and the legacy auto industry gets taught a valuable lesson as companies who refused to modernize go bankrupt.
What a valuable lesson, get subsidized by an authoritarian government so that you can offer vehicles below cost. Also be sure to add spyware for the aforementioned authoritarian government.
Do you even understand what below cost means? No amount of modernization will counteract it.
until the American automakers go bankrupt, as you said, then the Chinese automakers increase prices 10x.
Americans can also buy EVs from countries other than China. America can also subsidise internal EV production.
My point is that we shouldn't give a fuck about petrol loving manufacturers.
What a valuable lesson.
Respond to user demand and environmental pressure.
Don't arrogantly assume your polluting product will remain market leader.
Don't build ever bigger vehicles just to avoid particular regulations.
Do you even understand what below cost means?
Yes. Would you like some oil industry case studies?
No amount of modernization will counteract it.
Have you heard of R&D investment, continual process improvement and economies of scale?
wasn't that the whole point of capitalism anyways? /s
They aren't exporting them below cost, that's why they want to export. Inside China every company tried to start an EV division because they heard Apple was doing it and assumed it must be a good idea. Now the market is topped out and the biggest companies are trying to price the smaller ones out of business (which still isn't below manufacturing cost because China regulates that and is nervous about having tons of cars from bankrupt companies on the road). They export with a huge profit margin to make up for the domestic price war.
With how china keeps implanting everything with spyware, I agree to keep them away from the heavy tech incorporated cars. Really wish we could transition away from using chinese shit
All auto manufacturers put spyware in their cars now. This isn't a china problem, this is an everyone problem. We need anti-spyware laws that apply to everyone.
Oh? More spyware than GM selling your data to your insurance company? More spyware than all of the stuff your smartphone collects?
It's absolutely a bad faith argument to say we can't have Chinese cars because they conduct industry standard data scraping.
The whataboutism doesn’t help. It’s a wrong practice regardless of nationality. But since the house and senate is bought by the corporations, at the very least ban those who you can.
It's not a whataboutism when that's the other choice. This isn't out of left field. I can buy Chinese data scraping, Japanese data scraping, Korean data scraping, German data scraping, or American data scraping.
Right now Germany actually wins that contest because GDPR just might have an impact.
A whataboutism would be me talking about American labor practices in farming. Not great, but also not relevant.
Something something free market
Might be a valid argument if China didn't play currency games.
Also, the protectionist in me wants American heavy industry to continue to exist.
Hey, capitalism is only good when it makes the rich richer...
China flooding the market with cheap EVs still makes the rich richer... Just different rich people in a different country.
The free market is propaganda to trick people into thinking capitalism is somehow ethically solvent.
Make them in Mexico. Less reliance on one country is better for everyone.
They’re trying to block mexican made Chinese vehicles as well. They don’t want Americans buying cheap evs.
Anti China Republicans are going to HATE this! They would MUCH rather Elect the man whose Daughter got over 70 patents FASTTRACKED in China once he was elected!
They would just put their hands on their ears and repeat "Hunter Biden laptop" until a scary fact like that one goes away.
If only he could extend that rationale to every industry
Protectionism only works in the VERY short term. If the USA doesn't pull its finger out of its ass and make affordable good EVs, then its automotive industry will crash and burn. Because the rest of the world unaffected by tariffs will be buying Chinese (or Korean / European) EVs and not American ones because they'll be expensive and suck.
I do t want the Chinese EVs because there falling apart exploding crushing more exploding and.there just not safe
Edit:Sorry about this I get political when I don't sleep sorry about this
I’m interested in seeing the statistics for this, as I’m looking at a new ev and it would be nice to see.
Because you wouldn’t just make something up would you, you must have the figures to substantiate your claim.
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