These companies should be forced to pay big money to each and every person affected by these breaches. Not like $120. Like $10,000 per. Teach them real lessons
But instead they will be fined, and they will pay that fine to the government.
They just pay up and do it again. It's a business expense, not a punishment.
I expect they get themselves insured for it
and then, us as the consumer will pay for the fine as well
Even $120 would be amazing. I just got an email that said too bad. I just bought a monitor cause that’s where they sold it. Idk why they have to save my info. I just want to pay for the product. If it was up to me, they would delete all my info immediately. They only need to record when the serial number was sold anyway.
Oh if only I was European.
Instantly makes ~~ransomware~~ [edit 2: my brain was being dumb, I didn't mean literally ransomware, I meant hackers blackmailing companies with the threat of releasing/selling stolen data] far more profitable.
Edit: And heavily discourages self-reporting. There’s a Schneier quote I like: “You can't defend. You can't prevent. The only thing you can do is detect and respond.”
If the data is breached, won't we find out anyways once they start selling it?
Absolutely. But the penalty does modify the cost-benefit analysis. If a hacker demands $5m or else they will release stolen data, you might be more inclined to YOLO the 5 mil on the 1% chance they're an honest hacker if the penalty for the breach is $50bn.
In the case of this breach, I'd be happy with a $10 payout, the consequences for me are actually pretty low here. That being said, I think we'd be lucky if Dell had to pay more than $0.50 per person, and that money will probably go to a lawyer's fees, not me.
I'm so glad we banned tik tok so my data doesn't fall in the wrong hands.
I know you're being flippant, but it's worth noting that there is a considerable difference between a company getting hacked like this and an app with unfettered access to the cluster to sensors that we've got in our pockets.
Yeah, hackers having my data is so much better than China....
The thing with tik tok isn't only with the data China can gather from US residents. It's also how they can use that information to influence the populace and send them propaganda, for example influencing the election results.
They can also gather information about our politicians who use it and blackmail them to get what they want
Ok, what information could they gather and how would they use that to influence an election?
The section Methods on the Cambridge Analytica wiki page explains it pretty well. While it's not proven to be able to directly influence voting, it's effective at swaying people's opinions and emotions about subjects.
So it's all bullshit then, got it.
The ban is a dumb policy, but you’re daft if you think the security implications are at all similar.
TikTok was caught injecting a keylogger into their in-app browser and their response was “Well yeah, but we promise we’re not using it.”
doesent literraly every website with autocomplete search queries do this?
No. This is analogous to cross-frame scripting.
So imagine you go to tiktok.com and you click on a link to bestbuy.com/cool-product-i-want-to-buy. But instead of taking you directly to bestbuy.com/cool-product-i-want-to-buy, it keeps you on tiktok.com and just opens an iframe with a keylogger injected into it.
So then when you enter credit card info into the bestbuy.com UI, the tiktok.com JS can see what you typed.
(This scenario is largely impossible these days, due to modern browser security.)
The difference is that if you witnessed this kind of XFS in your desktop browser, you might notice it because the location bar still says tiktok.com, because you never actually left the site. But in a mobile in-app browser, you don't need an iframe. You can inject JS directly into the browser itself, making it invisible to the user. As far as you can tell, you're on regular ol' bestbuy.com, not a modified version of it.
bruh
lmao, you asked.
I'm not a security expert, but my tech career has involved a lot of automated testing in weird scenarios, including iframe-based Facebook games and browser-based mobile apps. Automated tests face a lot of the same challenges that a malicious third-party would, so I know a little bit about how to get past them -- or rather, how to deliberately create vulnerabilities (in the dev build of your system) so that your tests can get past them.
Edit: I am curious why someone downvoted me on that one though. I can understand how my comment about the ban being dumb but TikTok also shipping a keylogger could anger people on one side or the other. But just explaining how in-app browsers revive a security problem that's been long-solved in standalone browsers?
Got this:
Hello, Dell Technologies takes the privacy and confidentiality of your information seriously. We are currently investigating an incident involving a Dell portal, which contains a database with limited types of customer information related to purchases from Dell. We believe there is not a significant risk to our customers given the type of information involved.
What data was accessed? At this time, our investigation indicates limited types of customer information was accessed, including:
- Name
- Physical address
- Dell hardware and order information, including service tag, item description, date of order and related warranty information
~~Hello, Dell Technologies takes the privacy and confidentiality of your information seriously. We are currently investigating an incident involving a Dell portal, which contains a database with limited types of customer information related to purchases from Dell. We believe there is not a significant risk to our customers given the type of information involved.~~ Sending you this single message satisfies our legal disclosure requirement. Beyond that, we have no actual intention of fixing this, providing you with a meaningful compensation for the breech or really doing anything different at all truthfully. Fuck you.
So people know how expensive a computer is at the address. What could go wrong
Right, because international hackers are going to mobilize boots on the ground across the world to steal your fucking Optiplex.
I think it's more likely that an attacker would make a fake collections call if you bought something really expensive, especially if they can prove you bought on credit or something. A little ChatGPT and you'd have a targeted script to use.
The leak didn't include phone numbers or emails but I'm sure there will be attempts at spear phishing businesses since they can figure out the business name from the physical address.
It's trivial to get phone numbers given an address in most cases.
Can’t have my ssn stolen if it has already hit the dark web.
5d chess move right here
Dude, you’re getting a delinquency letter.
But, like, we paid our fine. Sorry 🤙
Expect a ton of Indian people calling pretending to be Dell Support.
Somebody needs to make a "Dell Dude meme" about this.
"Dude, you're getting your identity stolen!"
They emailed me earlier about it... Good thing I've only ever bought a monitor from them.
Sames. They make sweet monitors.
Even then, why do they need to store my personal information? After delivery, my info should be wiped besides the date of purchase for said serial number.
What fuckin data is dell even getting and how?
Holy fuck. Is that like all their customers?
lol no
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