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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Vitaly@feddit.uk to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Even from people that never lived in a communist state

edit: im 17 and i hate communism

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[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lemmy, the social network, started off as a leftist hangout spot.

From the perspective of "Open Source developers who are anti-Reddit pro-Fediverse", it makes a lot of sense for Leftist/Communist and anti-corporation leaning people to hang out.

After all, the more extreme the viewpoint, the more driven to action (ie: write tens-of-thousands of lines of code and release for free) people get. In some regards, its the nature of Open Source + volunteer effort to attract a more extreme ideology. IE: Free Software is driven by ideology, not by money. So you get ideological people, especially when the software is small and niche.

The July 2023 Reddit Blackout was a big challenge for Lemmy's old community and the new community, as the new community basically "invaded" a large scale leftist hangout spot. But hopefully we all learn to work together and the nature of our neighbors moving forward.

I think anyone here (likely everyone?) is at least on the anti-corporate anti-Reddit side of the discussion. Which is enough of an alliance to keep us together, for now.


It does mean that we'll have to keep up with the far-left old-timers on this network who wish to push their viewpoints. But they are the legacy and the start of Lemmy in some respects, even as the hypergrowth (starting in July 2023) has moderated the community pretty severely.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 69 points 1 year ago

I don’t see the problem with people having communist views…capitalism isn’t great.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 64 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the problem is that you have instances like Hexbear and Lemmy.ml that tread more into tankie territory, where if you argue anything less than the complete annihilation of the West and hail China, you're likely to get harassed. I think rational people can agree that there's a pretty gap between "The current system is corrupt" and "anyone who thinks differently than me should die,' but I've seen plenty of irrational leftists.

[-] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago

Came here to make this point.
The CCP's version of "communism" is almost a textbook example to me of how an interesting system that can work beautifully on the local level can be completely betrayed and turned in to something much more like an oligarchy.

I don't understand how someone of reasonable knowledge and judgement could possibly be a tankie in 2024.

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[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, I don't have much problem with people disagreeing with me. But I'm pretty openly pro-capitalist, though I'm not a dumbass libertarian.

I recognize the need for the "capitalist edge cases" (externalities, monopolies, etc. etc.) that must be regulated and fixed for the system to work. I also recognize that we've failed to regulate externalities (ex: CO2 emissions), and failed to regulate monopolies / anticompetitive behavior (see Google).

So I'm a "capitalism works, but only if we work to make it work" kind of person. I think at the moment, Reddit and many other social networks are falling into the well known and well studied failures of raw capitalism, but somehow today's society has forgotten all the 1910s era solutions that we did (ex: Jungle, etc. etc.) where we regulated the hell out of the shitty behavior and fixed the most blatant problems, for the better of America.

We just gotta do the same thing today.


Overall, I accept that the commies / tankies were here first, and the history of Lemmy makes it clear why that happened.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 94 points 1 year ago

Multiple reasons.

  1. Lemmy was crested by and is maintained by Marxist-Leninists.

  2. Lemmy's structure and rejection of the Profit Motive is in line with Communist ideals, and attracts Communists and other leftists over Reddit, which is Capitalist.

  3. FOSS in general is supported by Communists and Anarchists.

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[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Be careful where you tread here. You must be careful to separate "communists" (people who believe in economic reorganization away from the power of capital) and "tankies" (those who support corrupt regimes that project the illusion of communism).

There are indeed quite a few communists and various other alt-camp political spectrum believers on here. They do have quite liberal beliefs but don't typically cause much of a fuss, because rational people can coexist with differing beliefs... and i dont mind them one bit. But the tankes, like lemmygrad, hexbear, etc, do stir up an anti-west "commie propaganda"fuss every chance they get, without being related to actual communism, especially if one mentions a hot button like Israel or Ukraine. And if you get into an argument with a tankie, they will just sling mud on you and call you a Nazi.

The cool part is, you can filter a lot of the chaff by just blocking the ugly instances from your user settings page (since Lemmy supports that now), blocking frequent flyers, and trimming/moving your subscribed community list to other, often smaller instances. A minimal amount of effort VASTLY increases the quality of content you'll see on lemmy.

[-] Hypx@fedia.io 40 points 1 year ago

There are very few real communists left. On here, it’s going to be pretty much all tankies.

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[-] Pollux@leminal.space 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"It wasn't real socialism!!1!" lmao

This is the position you get when you understand capitalism is fucked but you still believe capitalist states' propaganda about socialist revolutions that have actually managed to successfully overthrow the capitalist class, which gets worse the more those states have managed to rival and threaten capitalist rule globally.

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[-] Pollux@leminal.space 81 points 1 year ago

Leaves platform enshittified by capitalism

Complains about people being communists

Bruh

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[-] ArdMacha@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago

American says communism and means socialism

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the hardest test for any American

define communism

define propaganda

use both in a sentence that applies to the agreed definitions

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

I think it’s because my rent is a third of my income and im not allowed to function without not only feeding the parasites but making them morbidly obese.

[-] Delusional@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Rent is only a third of your income? You lucky bastard.

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[-] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 62 points 1 year ago

I've lived all my life under capitalism and I hate it.

I've read Marx, (for real, grab the book and read it!) and I see the dude does have a point.

[-] Pascal@lemdro.id 25 points 1 year ago

The Communist Manifesto

The language can be a bit tough to understand these days though so might want to read Ted Reese's Socialism Or Extinction instead

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[-] m13@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

“I’m 17 and I hate communism”

😂 enough said. Come back when you’re a bit older and a bit wiser.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

Because there's nothing wrong with being communist, and yet most of western civilization publicly demonizes communism and anyone who espouses communist views. Given the freedom to share an idea without fearing ad hominem attacks, ideas are judged on their merits alone.

See also: Satanism, Atheism, Socialism.

[-] applepie@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

The issue that every "communist" when pushed will take position on atrocities committed by various communists regimes... they gonna do that thing that "fascists" do: "well he really did not do it but if he did, they clearly deserved it"

Tell that to east Asians or Europeans to their face... everyone is deff hard online tho.

[-] Hegar@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I find that liberals are much more dismissive of US atrocities. Most communists I speak to know a wealth of details about the failings of mao and stalin.

Ask a US conservative about our 20th and 21st century atrocities - torture, massacres, coups, support for genocidal regimes and ecocidal companies, etc. - and they'll proudly defend our brutality. Ask a liberal and they'll hedge, deny and justify like an internet tankie who's never opened a history book.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

why not? if you'd like a more capitalist experience you can always go to reddit. don't forget to download their shitty app that no longer has competitors.

[-] Pollux@leminal.space 21 points 1 year ago

They don't want reddit but want its liberal echo chamber lmao

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[-] Pascal@lemdro.id 48 points 1 year ago

Probably has something to do with leaving a platform because it turned into a capitalist shithole?

[-] Sagittarii@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago

If you want capitalist propaganda you can go back to reddit lol

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because there are a lot of communists on lemmy?

Some can be very annoying. If you haven't blocked hexbear, I highly recommend it. They got exiled from reddit years ago and have been stewing in a tankie echo chamber ever since.

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[-] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago

The first instance of Lemmy is lemmy.ml

The ML stands for Marxist-Leninists

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

I mean, its actually the country tld of Mali

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, it was created by "communists."

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 24 points 1 year ago

This has to be the greatest troll I've ever seen or else I'm a filthy commie.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

It is a communist platform, you will find communists

[-] ieatmeat@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Especially people who never lived in a communist state

[-] uriel238 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Part of the problem is capitalist regimes keep sending assassins to murder leaders of communist movements, such as FBI killing the Black Panther leaders.

Law enforcement in the US is harassing mutual aid organizations. Maybe they're afraid we'll repair the park fences and deny some business a choice government contract?

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

When you leave reddit, a corporatised and astroturfed bot farm you're gonna get less liberal and right wing stuff that only existed to make money or exert political influence.

If you're really upset by it you can filter lemmy.ml which is gonna be the main source of left wing posting.

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[-] geissi@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago

Communism is by definition a society without a state, so nobody has ever lived in a communist state and I doubt there has ever been a communist society in recorded history.

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