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esp if you're one of the devout ones who think they've been really good

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[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I mean, I'm not religious but I'm excited to die ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

(This is a half serious joke. I have a long history of suicidal feelings and whilst I generally do want to live and am not in any acute risk, I wont lie — many days are a struggle. )

Edit: escaped a backslash so my shrug could have both arms.

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[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

Not religious but was watching a video this morning where Neal Brennan and Howie Mandel were discussing death. I stopped and looked at my tea and said to myself "I'll miss this" (the tea).

I hope wherever I go after there is tea.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

I've asked a number of religious guys what happens if you kill infants, would they go to heaven? If so, why don't we since that will result in eternal happiness without all the life suffering and risk going to hell.

One person (Catholic) told me, the babies would go to heaven if they were baptized and then killed. The other person (Christian) told me they can't determine this because they're not God.

[-] Ludrol@szmer.info 2 points 5 months ago

As far as I am aware infants would go to heaven (regardless of being baptized) but the person doing the killing would sin.

Relieving someone from temporary suffering just to suffer eternally isn't a good trade off.

[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Someone told me that sheep go to heaven, and goats go to hell. But don't quote me on that.

https://open.spotify.com/track/4G8Eu3EDQZYhHPfJMFCv8V?si=ec17c966ba024a2c

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[-] Ferris@infosec.pub 4 points 5 months ago

I thought this was how you summarize current inaction against climate change.

[-] Raglesnarf@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

"If I knew there was an after life I'd kill myself right now"

  • Bender
[-] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

"To die would be an awfully big adventure" - J.M. Barrie

[-] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Confuckinggratulations

You just reinvented the concept of Shahadat in Islam

[-] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 4 points 5 months ago

I agree with you.
Either the person isn't a 'good follower' and isn't going to the good place.
Or they don't actually believe. Because there should be no fear or apprehension about going to the good place

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[-] inspired@kbin.social 4 points 5 months ago

Shouldn't athletes expecting to medal just want to skip the competition and go straight to the podium? I mean, that's the reward, right? It is pretty easy to come up with many other analogs where there is a reward/goal that would feel hollow without whatever experience precedes it.

[-] yannic@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

You think the devout ones think they're good?

Probably the opposite, dude.

The religious aren't as obtuse as Internet randos suddenly given a voice may lead you to believe. Even those who profess reincarnation believe we only get to experience this life and serve our purpose once. May as well make the most of it.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Yes? Religion is anti-life. I remember being excited about the idea of meeting Jesus one day.

[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

Religion has always been a compromise on logic. It's whatever in fairy land.

[-] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

For me outside of the natural scariness of it if your not into reincarnation then this is yout only chance on earth and hevon may be good but I'm not done yet getting my own personal kind of high score

[-] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

I remember in Christian fundamentalist circles after 9/11 remarking they might not be ready to die for their faiths like terrorists are. Not the best introspection to be doing, I don't think.

Obviously, even among the truly devout, humans have innate urges to stay alive. Fear of death is often one of the last steps in any faith. After life and fear of death is also one of the bigger preoccupations with many faiths. It's the big unknown.

Everyone has to die and no one is ever truly ready.

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Regardless of how much you look forward to what comes after and how certain you feel about it, no one is going to want to go through the pain that comes with dying.

[-] RadicalEagle@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

What if dying feels like letting go of all your pain? I can imagine dying feels good. The best part about dying is you can't be certain what it'll be like. It could be the ultimate punchline, the ultimate letdown, or just utter nonsense as you fall asleep.

Just like life, dying is out of my control so I'm just going to go with it and try to enjoy it as much as I can.

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

I mean, maybe after your heart stops and your brain function starts to slow down it might be peaceful, but unless you're on a lot of painkillers the process up until that point tends to be excruciatingly painful - at least personally, thats the scary part.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

i see you said this was your personal anecdote..

that said, this is just is not true (for everyone), please dont say this to people. not everyone dies in pain, or has a journey filled with it.

i work in hospice, your words could not be farther from the truth.

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[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

They don’t want to die before they make everyone else’s life a living hell

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Some good answers here, and some interesting ones. But here's (I think) a key perspective mostly missed:

In Christian thinking, life is good. Messed up, but good. Heaven is a vague term for where God is, and the End Game is us being alive again on Earth - either this earth, healed and fixed; or a completely new earth/world from scratch, depending on who you ask.

So even though we hope for something better, living now is good. And even though the real problem of death is solved, death is still bad per se.

That's not quite the whole picture, and those who grow closest to Jesus are often both very glad to be alive - for loving/helping others even more than for themselves - and looking forward to "going to heaven" where they can be in the undiminished presence of God.

Paul in the Bible put it:

For me to live is Christ and to die is gain

I.e. to carry on living is to do Chris's work; but to die is gain for me personally.

And which I prefer I do not know... I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is much better. But to stay on in the flesh is necessary for your sake.

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

should should should should should

please stop shoulding on others and most of all stop shoulding on yourself

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