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[-] athos77@kbin.social 57 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

“Sanctions must not be imposed on the Israel Defense Forces!” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted on X, formerly known as Twitter. “The intention to impose a sanction on a unit in the IDF is the height of absurdity and a moral low.”

Hopefully it's the first of many sanctions, you genocidal bastard.

The Israeli government has repeatedly argued that it has its own independent justice system in place to hold accountable those responsible for human rights abuses.

That "justice system" seems to work just about as well as the police oversight boards in the States.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

The intention to impose a sanction on a unit in the IDF is the height of absurdity and a moral low

Who gives a single wet shit what a genocider says about morals???

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Well, think of it as a those old buoys with bells signalling reefs or shallow waters: this guy's words on morals are a warning of what to avoid rather than of what to follow.

[-] FMT99@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The US can say what they want, Netanyahu knows going against Israel is political suicide. Whatever threat they make won't have any teeth. He could care less what Biden or anyone else wants.

[-] TheEntity@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

A non-American here. Can you explain why it is considered a political suicide? Do the votes like Israel so much or what?

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 27 points 11 months ago

A combination of several intersecting factors has led to a perception of Israel in the average voter's mind in the US as basically the ultimate safe haven of the Jews, so any attempt to pivot away from providing as much aid as they need looks like the abandonment of the Jews to a second Holocaust.

The average US voter is largely unaware of the absolute extent of Israeli crimes against humanity, among many other things that would probably otherwise earn Israel the reputation of a rogue state on par with apartheid South Africa or North Korea, what they are aware of is the history of antisemitic persecution that Zionists cite as what necessitated the creation of Israel, something that American Jews at the time actually rejected, but were basically overruled on in the cultural narrative due to Israel using a huge diplomatic lobbying effort to win over American political leaders in combination with the Evangelical great awakening in America fostering an independent christian Zionist movement that viewed the existence of Israel as crucial for the rapture to happen, nevermind how that book of the Bible itself declares that attempting to know the date of the rapture by any means is idiocy at best and outright heresy at worst.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

In American politics, we have legalized bribery under a very specific framework called “lobbying”. These days, this is largely accomplished through “Political Action Committees”. Basically, it’s a group that gets together to push and advertise for a candidate, specific or related collections of isssues, and so on. The funding for these groups is, shall we say, not looked at too hard, and that’s by design (of the politicians, to be clear).

So, we quickly get into a position where Israel creates a behemoth of a PAC to push their interests in US elections: this is AIPAC. AIPAC has a shitload of connections to TONS of funding and influence across the political spectrum, and uses it very aggressively to support US politicians who are friendly to the current Israeli regime’s interests. Incidentally, they threw in with Trump in both 16 and 20, because as pro-Israel as Biden is, Trump is far more willing to just straight up ignore the concerns of Palestinians and their voters, since he does not care about them due to the fact that a) he is overtly racist, and b) almost no Palestinians or even Muslims are going to be voting for Trump, for obvious reasons, so there’s no quid pro quo for him to exploit.

Anyways: PACs can and do inundate the internet and airwaves with political advertising, and most of it is straight up propaganda of one form or another. And of course, media orgs lean into anything can be spun as controversial (because that drives engagement, which drives ad sales, which is profitable).

Also, I need to be clear at this point: this is not some oblique screed that’s descending into old antisemitic tropes. This is an indictment of an obviously corrupt political mechanism, and one of the particular entities that takes massive advantage of that corrupt system on a regular basis, often to our detriment (and, paradoxically, their detriment as well, in a long-term, strategic, and demographic sense).

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Like the other commenter said, people have been ignorantly supporting Israel for decades. There are a lot of Jewish people in the US, even if they're not Israeli, they would have said they supported Israel if you randomly asked.

And Israel has a very large lobbying group in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How is NOT giving them new weapons "going against Israel"? If the USA were going into Israel and taking away weapons previously given I could see that being "going against Israel".

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

It's a sanction against a single IDF battalion and he's throwing a massive fit over it.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Of course he does: it's all part of the agreed upon theatre that allows Biden to keep supporting Israel in all the ways that matter whilst being able to turn to any voters that might defect because of actually having enough Humanist principles that America's support in their name of an ongoing Genocide disgusts them and tell them "see: we're putting pressure on Netanyahu's government".

Netanyahu keeps getting 2000lb bombs from Biden to blow up entire nighbourhoods and schools in exchange from him doing some loud bitching and moaning for some zero-real-effect measure from the Biden Adminstration which is being portrayed as "putting pressure on Israel".

I mean, which genocidal near-NAZI Fascist wouldn't take such a deal?!

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Of course. He'd throw a fit whether it was the whole country or just someone's nephew doing an internship, because it works.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

Choosing beggars.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Netanyahu Resists U.S. Plan to Cut Off Aid to Israeli Military Unit

To the surprise of absolutely nobody.

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