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[-] cygon@lemmy.world 150 points 5 months ago

If you were alive (and online) during the 90s, you may remember the banter between Microsoft and General Motors:

From https://crysa.fzu.cz/ondra/documents/cars_like_windows.html (the only online copy I could find)

Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving twenty-five-dollar cars that get 1,000 miles to the gallon."

In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:

[...]

  1. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single "general car error" warning light.

  2. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt.

  3. The airbag system would ask "Are You Sure?" before going off.

  4. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed a hold of the radio antenna.

30 years later, some of those jokes are finally becoming reality, thanks to Tesla.

[-] Another3quenc@lemmy.world 116 points 5 months ago

The Macintosh one is wild

“6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would only run on 5 percent of the roads."

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 41 points 5 months ago

Love the scene from the Steve Jobs movie where Woz asks Steve if in order to send an email on the NEXT computer the recipient would also need to have an NEXT computer.

Of course!

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 months ago

Basically iMessaging and FaceTime.

Blows my mind that literally every other brand of phone has settled on a standard for rich messaging and video calls, but Apple had to make a big stink about it and pinky-promise it'll be out this year.

And all the Apple users act like everybody else is inferior...while they're the only ones that are incompatible.

I bought an iPhone 12 specifically because I was tired of potato-grams between my wife and I. I switched back to Android a couple weeks ago on that pinky-promise.

Among several other Apple-isms, this one blows my mind then most.

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[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

My experience with Macs was not anything like that. Not super intuitive to figure out, which was made more frustrating by how slow it was, which was made more frustrating by the crashes and having to start all over again.

[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago

My experience with Macs has only made me hate them more. I once had to crop a photo on a Mac. Simple, right? Wrong. I opened the photo in whatever the default photo viewer is called (Preview?), but I didn't see an edit button. So I figured, "Maybe there's a different photo application I'm supposed to use?" So, I keep trying to find either a different application in that list (Quick Launch? Launchpad? shrug) or an "Open with..." feature like Windows has. Then I complained to my friend next to me, and he showed me how to do it. It was the same exact way I'd done it the first time, except now an edit button appeared.

There have also been several time's I've needed to upload something (usually a video) from a Mac, and, despite having just saved it, I couldn't find it because (as far as I could tell) it wasn't in a folder I could get to on the upload dialog box despite having just saved it using a similar dialog box that could access the folder I saved the item in.

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

You just described being unfamiliar with an interface.

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

they also described the UI bingo that disorients users every release as software devs enact the latest fashion trend in UX paradigms.

read: over the last 20 years, UI's have not converged towards anything, but cycled through design vogues in a manner reminiscent of the fashion industry. Keeping up is exhausting if you're not paying attention.

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[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 18 points 5 months ago

Ironically the errors a Tesla throws are very detailed, and tell you exactly what's wrong. GM's error messages are literally an incomprehensible glyph that, when backlit, might mean there's a problem.

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago

I've heard of Tesla owners being unable to get into their car because their wireless-only key fob was to close to a radio dish and was being effectively jammed. The owner had to go under the car and hide the remote from the radar dish to get it to unlock

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[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 94 points 5 months ago
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[-] rovingnothing29@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN!?

[-] letsgo@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago

There's a small difference between US Letter and A4. If you have A4 in your printer but use "default" settings which would be US Letter, the printer warns you, correctly, in the same way that it should warn you if you've got a load of A5 in your printer but want an A4 print.

Never seen it but I hypothesise that if it were the other way round you'd see PC LOAD A4.

[-] meleethecat@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

You’re exactly right. Those words just to you to load letter size paper in the paper cartridge (PC). You could also see PC LOAD LEGAL to load legal size paper or maybe MF LOAD LETTER to load letter size paper in the manual feeder (eg if you need to print something on letterhead).

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

MF LOAD LETTER

When your printer is voiced by Samuel L. Jackson.

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 67 points 5 months ago

Most modern computerized cars are like this sadly, but i think tesla is the worst one them all

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 59 points 5 months ago

"Wiper fluid empty. Car shutting down."

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[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 42 points 5 months ago

I don't get this. I live in the sweet spot for ev ownership: in an area with rich liberals who like outwardly show they care about the environment.

4 people on my block have Teslas. All of them say they love the car. The guy who lives across the street from me says his only regret is that he didn't get the AWD version because his sucks in the snow. My boss owns a Tesla, said he would absolutely buy one again. My cousin leased one and said that when he goes to buy a car, it would likely be a Tesla. One of my best friends bought one, and loves it. I rented one (it was 15 dollars more a day, with free charging, so I'm pretty sure it more than made up the cost) and it was mostly a pleasure to drive (not a big fan of the touch screen for everything).

According to Consumer Reports, Tesla is one of the top brands for owner satisfaction.

Yet here on lemmy, you would think that owning a Tesla is some kind of miserable experience. I can't help but believe it's driven by a dislike of musk, rather than Teslas actually being bad cars.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 27 points 5 months ago

I think our bias is that a huge portion of us are scientists and engineers, so the things that bother us aren't the same things that bother everyone else. Most people don't worry about how their car works, or want to repair it themselves, etc.

It's not the car for a Linux user.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago

Im not buying this. If it could be demonstrated, I'd be willing to bet that at least 99% of the people who upvoted this have never even changed a spark plug, let alone anything actually complicated or difficult with their car.

It's clearly en vogue on lemmy to hate on Tesla, which is almost certainly why this has so many upvotes. I just don't get why people have to pretend the cars are shit when seemingly it's really about hating musk.

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm part of that 1% and I'll echo the "Tesla hate" for that very reason. I do the vast majority of maintenance and repair on my vehicles -- something I picked up as a broke young man that couldn't afford to do otherwise.

I'm not buying something that's designed to actively prevent me from working on it myself. And the other "99%" of people are absolutely right in being upset since independent repair shops are no longer an option. With no competition they're at the whim of Tesla when it comes to the cost and time-frame of repair work.

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[-] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Elon Musk is a trash person, that's why I don't like Tesla

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[-] set_secret@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I love my Tesla and hate musk with the fire of a billion suns.

I'm sorry haters, but Teslas are absolutely fantastic cars to own and drive, in my 2 years of owning one. ZERO ISSUES and 100,000km down.

That said the only reason I'll not buy one NEXT is because that nazi fuck head is attached to the brand and has poisoned the joy of owning it.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago

I've been thinking of buying a EV for a while now. Tesla was obviously the top of the list. Now it's kind of the bottom of the list.

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[-] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think half of it is Elon Musk and the other half are the news stories about the numerous problems they seem to have.

There are some things that Tesla does wrong, but a lot of these issues are also found in other EVs. It's a car for somebody who is fine using Apple products.

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[-] TronnaRaps@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago

Love my Tesla, wouldn't go back to an ice car. I'm not particularly a fan of Musk, but I'm definitely a fan of the science and engineering being done across his companies. Comparing a ownership of a printer to owning a Tesla? Kind of a lame joke

[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

For the most part, the cars are fine. I really enjoy working on a car and find pleasure in purely mechanical things. I like internal combustion engines.

Sure, I think Musk is an idiot. But it's much more that I think Teslas are overrated. My biggest gripe is the arbitrary changing of existing user controls and their ethos of the car should anticipate and do things for me. I don't want the car to do anything unless I tell it to. Even if it is something as simple as turn signals.

  • I don't want solenoids for car handles.
  • I don't want controls on a fucking touchscreen.
  • I don't want automatic updates.
  • I don't want subscriptions.
  • I don't want to be able to change the horn (because a horn is supposed to be a safety item and sound a certain way.)
  • I don't want stupid games on the touchscreen.

On top of all that, I think they are pretty ugly too.

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[-] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Wait what’s wrong with Tesla products? In my experience they are the most user friendly cars ever built. I never have to think about it — it locks, unlocks, and turns on and off without intervention, it opens and closes my garage door without intervention, it “has a full tank” for less money, and a conditioned cabin every morning (haven’t been to a gas station in 5 years), and I never need to think about oil, belts, or rotors needing attention. Autopilot and FSD significantly reduce my workload in the drivers seat. It’s not perfect, and Elon Musk is a total asshat, but I can’t think of a more revolutionary user experience when you consider what the other automaker’s offer. I can’t stress enough how easy my Tesla makes the act of transportation.

So why the hate? If for the ties to Elon, I get that and am fully on board, but I feel like most of you have never actually experienced the product?

Edit: Y’all have failed to convince me that Tesla ownership is equivalent to printer ownership.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 53 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Doesn't most of this stuffapply to basically all EVs?

I have done zero research and I know these dealbreakers:

  • Microtransactions for a car (e.g. autopilot features, features already built-in, but subscription locked)
  • A tablet on the dashboard is a UX nightmare, since it can't be used blindly (you should focus on the road, please).
  • The futuristic retracting doorhandles are a nightmare for firefighters, since you can't easily pull people out of crashed Teslas.
  • The whole cybertruck debacle
  • Wasn't the estimated reach that the car supposedly had explicitly programmed to overestimate?

Edit: aparrently, the doors are very hard/mostly impossible to open when the power goes out.

[-] lens17@feddit.de 26 points 5 months ago

I definitely do not want to defend Tesla here, but other manufacturers are unfortunately following the same path. It's ridiculous. BMW is putting most of the extra features into the car on a technical level, but lock them down so you can't use them unless you pay a fucking monthly subscription for e.g. the seat heaters. What the actual fuck has gotten into manufacturers?

And the touchscreens? I'm soooo glad that the German equivalent to road and safety announced that the safety rating of cars will go down in the future if there are no haptic controls. I definitely like a sleek appearance, but form follows function for fucks sake.

/rant

[-] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

My mom has one, and the door handles are so awkward, I really don't think I'll ever get used to them. From the inside, it's easy enough, but it's also just a button, with no physical unlatching mechanism, and the window has to go down slightly when the door opens, so I would not want to be in there if it lost power.

She does generally like the thing though.

[-] Exusgu@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

There's a separate handle on the inside to be used when there's no power. It's to be used in an emergency, and works without the window going down

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[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago

It's honestly really hard to distinguish genuine criticism of the product from rabid Elon-hate on the internet. He's an ass, and I've read what seem like real complaints about Teslas, but the internet tends to lose all rationality when it hates someone, so I try to take anything I read with a grain of salt.

[-] Ikelton@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Yeah man. People love to bash Elon and rightfully so. I live in Southern California, I drive a Tesla and a lot of my friends do also. I used to travel a lot for work, and would regularly rent nice cars for weeks on end. My Tesla is the car I've enjoyed most ever, and it's not really even close.

Yeah it has problems. But what car doesn't? Nothing is perfect. But for me, the features that Teslas have check all the boxes in a really novel and enjoyable way.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That just sounds like a shitload of expensive stuff to go wrong. I want my car to be as minimally computerized as possible. I can set the AC, press the garage door button, and drive myself thanks.

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[-] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

This sounds a lot like my experience with public transport. Fuck am I glad I don't live in the US.

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[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 38 points 5 months ago

So for the record, I had a non-EV car scream bloody murder, barely drivable, ABS triggering randomly, 10 warnings whenever you turned it on, and in the end it was one little burnt out sensor that caused it all.

I wouldn't buy a tesla considering all the dodgy stuff that has come out, but non-EVs are just as susceptable to the printer analogy.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I've had my car's transmission go out and keep putting itself in limp mode (won't go above 40mph) but I could still actually drive it and open the doors and windows. I just read an article of a woman who got locked into her Tesla because the fucker started updating. That's a problem literally no other cars have, nor should they.

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[-] Kage520@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago

I own a brother printer and never have had an issue. Only had to buy toner once in like ten years. I've had a Tesla for 3 years and will probably have to buy tires in another two years when I get to like 45,000 miles.

So yeah, this tracks I guess?

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Brother printers haven't "innovated" in years, and produce fully functional printers without software lockout and freemium "features". They just make printers, and don't screw their customers. Brother is the Toyota of printers.

Tesla is the HP of printers. Deviates greatly from a standard model of a printer, locks down standard printer features, and sells them back to the customer as a service.

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[-] Shou@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago

How dare you. My brother laser printer is fantastic. I'm not even sure if it uses ink.

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[-] guyrocket@kbin.social 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Forgot to say "ink jet"...

...and "Windows 95"

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