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Any distinction between the former president’s White House bid and his criminal defense is vanishing as the charges against him mount.

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[-] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

He should just embrace the cartoonishness of his campaign and go around wearing prison stripes and a George Washington hat.

[-] Umbra@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

That's the whole point of the bogus charges and the whole witch hunt. To lower Donald Trump's re-election chances.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

Wrong term, a witch hunt is an investigation that isn't based off evidence, there is a metric ton of evidence, witnesses, and admission of guilt.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago

he’s literally on tape flaunting secret materials in front of unauthorized people…this level of cognitive dissonance is truly astounding.

conservative logic: trump is god and can do no wrong

[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

The charges aren’t bogus. It’s not a witch hunt. donald trump is a proven fraud.

[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Can you provide some reasons why the charges are bogus? Do you believe they lack evidence? Do you think they will be thrown out? One in particular catches my attention as there is a federal case being presided over by a judge he appointed, so also curious how that isn't also bogus in that it's a conflict of interest. I know he's got like 3 different active state and federal cases going so take your time in answering.

[-] Umbra@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I mean, there are so many it's hard to begin. The one regarding his handling of secret materials is something every single high ranking official has done. To put it this way, if other politicians were treated with the same standards as Trump everyone would be under investigations and prosecuted.

[-] Arbiter@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Other politicians return those materials when asked rather than try to hide them and lie about what they have.

Trump was given ample opportunity to return the materials without facing charges.

[-] Umbra@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Is that true? What do you mean given ample opportunity

[-] Arbiter@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

The National Archives were contacting him requesting the documents back for months before any charges were brought forth.

[-] Umbra@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago
[-] agentsquirrel@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

If you haven't read the indictment document you don't have any basis for claiming bogus charges.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Can you show the class where another "high ranking official" kept top secret documents after the government asked for their return? Is the bathroom a valid storage place? Try to answer without consulting fox news.

[-] Umbra@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Heh
Hillary Clinton's private server was stored in a bathroom closet
https://theweek.com/speedreads/572465/hillary-clintons-private-server-stored-bathroom-closet

Also had her aides smash electronic devices with hammers and wipe computer hard drives with bleachbit. Even despite that the Comey investigation found classified stuff on the devices that they could get their hands on.

[-] astrsk@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

You do know that destroying electronics is common and procedural for government device and data storage right? When they’re done with it there is a typical process involved for members of government to clean out the old equipment as required.

This unclassified NSA document details incineration of hard drives.

This is common, this is procedure.

[-] Umbra@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

They did it after getting subpoenaed, iirc.

[-] Nutbane@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

That's not an accurate assessment of what happened. See here for a summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy#Deletion_of_emails

[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Is it illegal to have a private server? Guess I don't remember that part of the 600 investigations the Republicans tried running on her. Okay now do the election rigging one. Or how about the one where he's being accused of insurrection and treason for Jan 6?

[-] Umbra@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's illegal keeping classified stuff on it. Besides, they use it to avoid FOI and other nefarious purposes

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

The secret materials that he refused to give back, even when raided by the FBI? When everyone else who found secret materials fully cooperated with the national archives?

Trump lied to the archives, lied to his own lawyer, and showed top secret materials to Kid fucking Rock as a way to brag.

Then there's the coup attempts.

The multiple coup attempts.

And the insurrection when those coup attempts failed.

[-] B_Larson@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Read the indictment. It says he specifically went behind his own lawyers' backs to remove the classified documents from where they were stored and moved them to his personal residence after they had already been subpoenaed. ...and then basically lied to his own lawyers. The prosecution is going to make the case that this was obstruction of justice.

[-] Umbra@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Interesting

[-] agentsquirrel@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

The documents aren't the big problem, it's that he hid them after repeated attempts. That's obstruction. He's also on tape showing a document to an unauthorized person.

[-] Infinity187@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Read a book, buddy. Learn something instead of believing in a cult of personality.

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

He's literally the only republican that would get me and several of my friends to vote Biden again. The charges are all very legitimate, he's going to be convicted. It has nothing to do with him running for president again. I'd bet most of the DNC would love for him to be the candidate again. It's a near gauranteed win and would drive a ton of easy fundraising dollars.

[-] Umbra@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I think he has a very high chance of winning

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's because you drank a massive amount of Koolaid at a GQP meeting.

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