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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 75 points 7 months ago

I really hope Europe can step up to fill America's gap, because it's clear that America will not get its shit together in time to help at this point, if it ever will again.

[-] assembly@lemmy.world 57 points 7 months ago

This has been so frustrating to watch. We have half of our country bootlicking the Russian leader that their cult leader is strangely endeared towards. This was our opportunity to really do the right thing and support a people defending themselves and their democracy. Something we as Americans could have been proud of for generations. But no. Republicans couldn’t have us do the right thing. Not even once.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

Don't say half the country - most of the country doesn't vote. Trump got 74m votes and the US has a population of 330m.

[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Sounds like a good portion of the country is not represented and we need to do away with first past the post voting.

More people voting means more democratic votes, so what's the holdup blue states?

What if Republicans want to not vote for Trump, but are tied to him because if they don't vote for him the democrats win?

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Not just FPTP voting...the electoral college has to go, tok. Many people think "my vote doesn't matter, my state is voting X anyway" and, in a way, they're right. The electoral college makes our votes matter less.

There's also too many people who are barred from voting. For example, one of the most politically-active people I know can't vote because he got a felony for possessing a half ounce of weed 15 years ago in college.

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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

America is occupied with sending aid to Israel. There's only so much money Biden can draw down for foreign military aid with Congress being in the state its in and the budget being in the state its in. It's been the Biden administration's policy that Israel's military needs are important as well and many bills have tied aid for Ukraine to aid for Israel.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

This isn't about the amount of money available, it's the GOP intentionally doing what Putin wants.

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Which was Trump's plan all along (recalling him demanding that Europe pull their weight in NATO). Man's playing 4D chess.

(This was meant to be a Poe).

Poe's Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

(This was meant to be a Poe).

It's pretty much impossible to tell at this point. There is nothing too insane you can claim about Trump that someone hasn't actually claimed.

We went over that cliff a long time ago.

Best not to try.

[-] qooqie@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

There’s nothing 4d chess about having supporters push your agenda too. Especially his supporters in congress.

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Only France is willing to fight. The rest of Europe are terrified of Putin. They will give Putin whatever he wants.

[-] SMillerNL@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago
[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

JFC. Well. I guess Putin can have Europe if he wants it then. The U.S. is being held down by conservatives, so we all get to watch Putin murder our allies.

There is no such thing as a "good conservative" alive today. Conservatism is a cancer. It is killing us all.

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 70 points 7 months ago

This is sending a giant red flag to America's allies: we will not support you in times of war, do not rely on us since we will drop you whenever it is politically convenient to do so.

Sadly, this shouldn't be the case and it's indicating an abdication of responsibility in being the Arsenal of Democracy for the free world.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Except if our religious conservatives vouch for you. Then you get the platinum package and a blind eye.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Europe better start their own version of NATO.

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

They kinda do, EU has a mutual defence policy as well

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

The primary difference is defense industrial policy and production capacity.

[-] reddit_sux@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 7 months ago

That is nothing new, look at Afghanistan.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 5 points 6 months ago

I feel Turkey going with the Chinese moonbase instead of the US “moonbase” will come up as a turning point in future history books. Trump hollowed out a great deal of the remaining good will to the US. Biden can’t turn the corner with the potential of trump returning. The US should get ready to be a regional power in 50 years, after people in europe and asia get tired of hosting their bases for no protection.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 59 points 7 months ago

As conservatives cheer. Conservatives did this. Your conservative neighbors, co-workers, family members and acquaintances... They all did this.

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

That pov only has value inside of america. This is a two sided sword, conservatives acted against it, democrats didnt do enough, and from outside, america choosed to let ukraine rot.

Thinking retrospectively, It's a good thing that they stoped their counteroffensive last year and ended up distributing forces in the multiple fronts.

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago

Then these conservatives should be the first to go fight ww3 with Russia.

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[-] notaviking@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago

I think a lot of people forget how before the war, but after the 2014 annexure, Ukraine begged to be able to buy western weapons, such as the javelin, because one random guy can take out a whole tank (great force multipliers against the russian bear). Great deterrent. But they were not approved because they fought giving arms for Ukraine would provoke and not deter, and that dialog and greater economic integration with Russia would be the solution.

So the west miscalculated, luckily Russia as well and Kiev did not fall, but now Ukraine is in a war, and unlike previously where they could have put resources into acquiring western weapons, they now have to input their resources into fighting and defending their country.

The EU and America have stepped up initially, like 90% of the pledges went straight back into the American economy, since the give Ukraine their old stock and manufacture replacement stock for themselves. EU is close to matching USAs total contributions and if you look at France and their economy's size they are percentage wise out spending the US in contributions.

The nice thing here is most support money gets spend in their own country, stimulating their economy, Ukraine is putting their own citizens and soldiers life on the line and it will weaken a common Nato foe. But not supporting Ukraine will emboldened Russia and now that most of their military ineptitude and corruption has been exposed and is being improved, Russia might calculate further expansion, since that is their modus operandi.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Fuck Mike Johnson

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Well at least the US was able to aid the genocide in Gaza. I’m sure none of this will backfire.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Maybe the real genocide was the friends we made along the way.

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[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

I don’t understand why Israel needs so much money. They’re not a poor country.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

This is actually a fair question. To answer it fairly, wars are extraordinarily expensive.

Remember in the first Captain America movie, how Cap starts off as a showman, trying to sell war bonds to the American public? This bit of the movie is rooted in real history, the government actually did that, just to raise money to help pay for WW2. War bonds are basically just savings bonds, where the govt goes to its citizens and says "give me $100 now to help pay for the war, and we'll pay you back with interest in a few years".

Israel has fewer borrowing opportunities than the massive US did, though, so it's a little harder.

Even Russia's war, relying on huge backstocks of Soviet equipment, is very expensive, and they saved up a huge amount of money over many years to be able to do what they are doing right now.

[-] iarigby@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

They don’t need to save up, they get billions from Europe for oil

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Thing is, even with the massive influx of weapons, Ukraine is going to face a severe risk of mutiny and exhaustion because they just don't have enough people to rotate through the front lines.

Even with the recent news of the expanded draft, the AFU just recently ended the service limit for conscripts and is still outnumbered by Russian troops on the front line.

Either Ukraine will have to extend the draft further, seriously hindering their economy, or another country will have to get involved directly. France was supposedly considering deploying troops to the Ukrainian-Belorussian border to free up troops to fight in the East, but that clearly isn't coming to fruition (yet?).

The opportunity for Ukraine to get any kind of decisive victory and a decent peace deal was within the first year of the war. Russia was always going to have time on their side.

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[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 13 points 7 months ago

I bet as people die, the amount of weapons needed to fight Russia increases. There will be a point of no return.

Nearly every country dragged its heels.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Biden should go around congress to ship them weapons.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Can't buy weapons without money.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

RepubliQans! MFrs

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Its Biden's job to move the country in terms of rhetoric. You move the country and the elected representatives will follow. They want to stay elected. He's failed utterly, in this regard.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

The country agrees with Biden.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/643601/americans-say-not-helping-ukraine-enough.aspx

The country didn't put Republicans in charge of the House. Gerrymandering did.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

You take the big seat and you have to play cards with the hand you are dealt. The buck stops there.

Biden is the president. Not the House, not the Senate, not Trump. What you are saying when you make your point is that the Republicans are actually in control of the presidency and that Biden doesn't bear responsibility for the outcomes of his leadership (or lack there of).

Either the buck stops with the President or it doesn't. Excusing Biden's inability to lead isn't an acceptable answer. That's the job of leadership. To change minds, especially those who don't agree with them. Blaming Republicans gives Biden cover for his lack of leadership, and the material fact that he isn't able to drive a narrative, or to whip congress or the American people or international leadership towards an end. That's the job of the president, and the buck stops with them. It doesn't pass to any one else. The buck stops at the desk in the oval office.

So the question I would put back to you, is does the buck stop with the President or not?

For reference, here is the wiki on the phrase. You might read it for some consideration and context.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Yes, I know what the phrase means and the history of it.

That doesn't mean that Biden is a dictator. He can't just say, "fuck you, congress. We're sending aid to Ukraine."

That's simply not how things work in the U.S. government.

Just because a racist, genocidal shitbag like Harry S. Truman said a phrase doesn't make it true.

You know what buck didn't stop with Truman? Acknowledging the lack of civil rights of millions of American citizens and acknowledging his culpability in the nuclear annihilation of two Japanese cities, beginning a nuclear arms race that has put humanity at the risk of destruction multiple times since.

So maybe he was a hypocritical asshole and you shouldn't look to him for things presidents should be able to do.

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