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County officials alert Montecito homeowners that they face prosecution, including daily fines of $850 if stones are not removed

Montecito, California, is known for being home to Oprah, a former royal family, and a stunning stretch of coastline. It’s also home to miles of trails, some of which are being blocked by residents hoping to stop people from accessing public hot springs.

Santa Barbara county has been watching encroachments on East Mountain Drive and Riven Rock Road in Montecito since at least 2022, when they sent letters to residents warning them to remove large stones.

Last month, county officials sent letters again to at least six homes alerting residents to remove the stones by 28 March or face civil or criminal prosecution, including daily fines of $850. The county insists that these roads are a public right of way.

The issue seems to be with parking at the trailhead, where a tiny lot allows for just eight vehicles. When that fills up, hikers have to park on roadsides. The hot springs contain six bright blue pools that are located 1.3 miles from the trailhead in the San Padres Forest, surrounded by a deep forest and rocky hills. It became popular during the pandemic when hiking surged in the area, and has also taken off on social media as a destination.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 127 points 7 months ago

This reminds me of cities after the Civil Rights Act getting rid of their public pools rather than being forced to integrate them.

"It's either just for me or no one can have it" is such a weird attitude.

[-] Aviandelight@mander.xyz 112 points 7 months ago

I mean the most obvious malicious compliance here would be to make a bus line that runs to the tiny little parking lot at the entrance. Nothing the wealthy hate more than public transportation in their backyard.

[-] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

I like the way you think.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

a park with a ski hill near where I used to live did this during ski season because the ski hill terminated near the access road. Imo even if they just ran the shuttle on weekends it would probably be cheaper than a lawsuit.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 79 points 7 months ago

The issue seems to be with parking at the trailhead, where a tiny lot allows for just eight vehicles. When that fills up, hikers have to park on roadsides.

County officials plan to create 62 new parking spots near the trailhead – which caused four homeowners to sue in protest in 2022.

They can go get bent.

[-] sepulcher@lemmy.ca 19 points 7 months ago

which caused four homeowners to sue in protest in 2022.

So this is what rich people do with their excess wealth.

They use it to further oppress poor people!

Remember this whenever anyone says "they're a business and they need to make money."

[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 61 points 7 months ago

It's a GOOD thing we don't TAX these Wealthy People! Otherwise they might have to give US access to the National Parks we paid for since they won't be able to Afford the Fines!

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

finland has income based tickets. We could, theoretically, do that here.

[-] mPony@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

what's that? America holding The Rich accountable for their misdeeds?
Well I guess there's a first time for everything.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No fuckthat. That was the solution forty years ago. Not that the US government ever would.

We need guillotines now. We need justice.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 51 points 7 months ago
[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 41 points 7 months ago

It’s not clear if the stones have been cleared.

🤡

More like, "we just got paid to not do anything about it". If they wanted those stones cleared they would have brought a fucking excavator, got shit done, and fined the people responsible over $10,000 for the cost of moving them.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

Roll the stone into their house and then fine them for creating a hazard that damaged a house.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago

$850/day to someone who owns a house worth an average of $7.2m really isn't much. These people are wealthy beyond belief and can easily pay that penalty. If the punishment for bad behavior is only a fine, then the bad behavior is effectively legal for the rich.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

$850/day to someone who owns a house worth an average of $7.2m really isn’t much.

~ $26K/month, $312K/year.

[-] guacupado@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Oprah could pay that annually by herself and not even notice the expense.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Oprah is too powerful and, honestly, I bet she has nukes.

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[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 16 points 7 months ago

I'm fine with the $850/ day fine for 10 days as long as on the 11th day the public is allowed to attach one of their boulders to a helicopter and drop it on their house.

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[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago

Montecito has so much money and influence that any freeway construction in the area has to avoid Montecito because they hate the noise and traffic. They are also used to getting their way. They want to be a small town of multimillionaires but the problem is that they are between a big city and a national park.

[-] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

And a small but significant private liberal arts college (Westmont)

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

It became popular during the pandemic when hiking surged in the area, and has also taken off on social media as a destination.

On one hand, fuck those rich people who live there. On the other hand, fuck those assholes that ruin places like this because they want to take pictures for social media.

[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

Or .... And just hear me out.... People actually like walking through scenic nature and visiting hot springs because they simply enjoy it

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

It's become a problem in the past few years. Hopefully the trend will taper off.

https://consumerenergyalliance.org/2022/02/too-many-people-tale-national-parks

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

Wow. This is like those homeowners that were sued for blocking access to the beach in Malibu.

[-] blandfordforever@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago

Rich people seem to like to buy expensive property near nice natural resources and then try to keep those filthy poor away.

You don't own the beach and you don't own the hot springs, you rich fucks!

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

They're too poor to afford buying the beach? Pathetic.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

They're practicing for climate change resource scarcity, they will keep us away from the potable water.

[-] sepulcher@lemmy.ca 21 points 7 months ago

Fuck rich people.

Every last one of them is a scummy, scammy piece of garbage.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago

What is it with you humans and your insistence that nothing matters unless you can keep it away from those who need it most?

[-] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think it really applies in this case.

That said, people shouldn't be blocking access to a public area just because they're upset about something

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

How not, they hate that poor people are using the hot spring

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Money sure seems to bring out the moronic meanness of people dont it

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago

just waiting for the "non-local resident drags massive boulder down road after locals block entrance" news article to pop up now

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Or you might wanna take a look at the big yellow double arch natural stone carving McDonald's stone ad! Para pa pa pa! I'm loving it!.... Drink responsibility....come frutas y verduras. For every one minute you stare at the rock, McDonald's will donate 1 mcflurry to a homeless person nearby. All you have to do is scan the code at the bottom of the rock, attach your GPS coordinates and heading angle, pitch and jaw, then fill in the form with your name and address, print it out, sign it, and mail it to 1800 Elm St. Zaragoza California 92322. Then just wait two to three weeks and invite your favorite homeless person. You'll need proof of purchase and a print out of your form that you'll need to sign once more. They may have to as you the form questions again, but don't worry, they are used to doing that, they worked for the DMV before. Enjoy the outdoors and give a homeless a helping hand! And don't forget this form too after you're done with the quickie! He'll enjoy knowing there's someone who cares, and you'll enjoy knowing you cared! Because who cares? You cares!

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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

There needs to be hefty fines, with a time component, accumulating since the first notice

[-] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago

I'm trying to understand the situation, because the article is a little confusing. It doesn't sound like they were actually blocking access to the hot springs. It sounds like they were placing boulders to discourage people from parking along the road leading to the trailhead. There are only a few actual parking spots, and once those fill up people are lining the roads with their cars, possibly damaging private property in the process. I can understand the frustration. Though suing to stop the construction of additional parking seems counter-productive.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The Guardian article links to the original SFGate article which gives a better description and picture.

The obstructions in question include large boulders and plants placed along the sides of East Mountain Drive and Riven Rock Road in Montecito, blocking spots people would otherwise be able to use as parking before hiking to nearby Montecito Hot Springs.

Encroachments

The encroachments are on the right of way which allows for only certain encroachments:

the county says that the only encroachments that can remain within 10 feet of the pavement include mature trees and “boulders historically situated onsite and partially buried 40% or more, particularly those boulders adjacent to a buried, high pressure gas line”.

Edit: I don't know why people get so worked up when someone parks on a public street in front of their house. It literally does not compute for me.

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[-] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 19 points 7 months ago

Hmmm they're blocking parking on the street and suing to stop making the parking lot bigger than 8 cars. Tell me again how that isn't "rich fucks trying to stop people from accessing the public hot spring"

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[-] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

It's honestly just giving "we only want 8 spots so the 8 of us that live here can go, stay home poors"

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

honestly why don't they do a park and ride somewhere else and then just have a bus/shuttle service on high traffic days?

[-] Thteven@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago

It's public land, fuck those people. They can sell their house and move if they don't like it.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago

While I get what you're saying, and fuck them for wanting to hoard public resources, a shuttle here would be less damaging to the area and allow ample parking where it isn't impacting those public resources as much. And if done right, would even allow people without cars to enjoy this resource.

[-] Thteven@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Public shuttle? How about a bus route?

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

Sorry, where I live they call free public buses shuttles, usually for short routes with many stops such as downtown.

[-] yumpsuit@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

maybe you can get the rich on board if you call it a jitney

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

That would be even worse to them than parking. They might see a homeless person!

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