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[-] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

It’s about time they used these. It’s their land anyway and they should be able to defend it effectively.

[-] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but I can understand their hesitancy. Unexploded bomblets could be a hazard for their own advancing troops and a hazard for citizens that eventually use the land.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had to log every one of these shot - source, target, altitude of actual explosion, number of explosions (is witnessed by drones), etc. I imagine they'll want to do a sweep through there when things settle down.

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I dunno, it just seems like the delay on the bomblets was too long. And also that a fragmentation round could have gotten them all without leaving unexploded ordinance all over the place.

[-] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

Just to provide clarity, the dud rate is approximately 2.5%, so about 1-2 per shell.

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Times how many hundreds of shells? With bomblets sitting around for decades after.

And how many survived that hit, as opposed to a similar fragmentation strike? A few survivors aren't actually a bad thing in a lot of cases too. They require resources to care for, draining man power that's already stretched thin.

It just strikes me as a less than efficient weapon choice. I'd be curious to see it compared to air burst flechette rounds in effectiveness.

[-] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree with your points. Demining and EOD in eastern and southern Ukraine could take decades. Cluster munitions will hopefully be a stop-gap, and not the new norm.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Brothers Grimm could see the future:

[-] ChrisHani@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Moscow should escalate to tactical nukes and get it over with.

[-] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 54 points 1 year ago

Russia has already been using cluster munitions since the beginning of the war, so how is this an escalation?

[-] Gork@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Yea.. that's how Russia gets Article 5'd...

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Screw Moscow, Putin and yourself

[-] Cranakis@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

I'm assuming the "it" in your sentence is Russia? They deploy a nuke of any sort and it will be the end of Russia.

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