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Zelenskyy straight-up said Ukraine is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid (www.businessinsider.com)

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President Zelenskyy warned that Ukraine would lose the war if the US didn't send it more aid.
House Republicans have been stalling on a $60 billion aid package for Ukraine.
"It is necessary to specifically tell Congress that if Congress does not help Ukraine, Ukraine will lose," he said.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Sunday that his country "will lose the war" against Russia if Congress does not act to send it more aid, Agence France-Presse reported.

"It is necessary to specifically tell Congress that if Congress does not help Ukraine, Ukraine will lose the war," he said, per AFP.

For months, House Republicans have stalled on a bill containing $60 billion in aid for Ukraine, stipulating that it should also include increased funding for security at the US southern border.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 105 points 7 months ago

As an American, it is infuriating and heartbreaking to see these psychotic dipshits in Congress actively working to consign an entire fucking country of 60 million people who WANT to integrate more closely with the US and Europe to being one of Putin’s puppet states.

I sincerely hope the GOP either lets this go through or loses power in the next couple weeks. Both outcomes are actually realistic possibilities at this point.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 83 points 7 months ago

We gave the Republicans a version with everyone they asked for, and they still voted against it.

[-] WillySpreadum@lemmy.world 67 points 7 months ago

Republicans never argue in good faith, and bending over backwards to give them what they want just shows them they can demand even worse terms next time.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Republicans are going to cost this country and theirs fucking everything . Whatever happens to Ukraine I hope the GOP receives 10 fold

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago

It's Zelenskyy's job to say that. But if he doesn't get it he'll be in a tough situation with his troops assuming he tries to backpedal that and encourage them to keep fighting.

I don't understand why Europe isn't more involved in shutting this situation down. It's your goddamn borders at risk if this smoldering fire isn't put out.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago

As conservatives cheer.

Conservatism is death.

[-] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

Republicans doing typical Republican things to no one's benefit.

That said, I don't think aid in the form of sending more arms over is right. The proper humanitarian course of action would have been to send a coalition of troops over to Ukraine to forcefully shut the situation down. So many lives would have been saved had we done this earlier.

Instead we have chosen to let the war drag on by sending weapons and supplies, letting both Ukrainians and Russians(many of which who aren't there by choice) slaughter each other.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago

Sending troops over runs a huge risk of causing the war to spread, bring more, wider-spread suffering. The us would love to do just that, but it comes with such a massive risk which is why they aren't.

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

The USA sending troops would basically cause WWIII to kick off. No one wants that.

[-] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Could help Palestine in the same fashion. Send in a coalition from everywhere except key players. Get serious with retaliatory attacks on aggressors.

[-] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

It's possible yes, but you also have to consider that perhaps Russia might not have ever invaded if we had shown that we were willing to fight.

A large part of the invasion was the fact that they knew they could get away with it. They know that we're just going to watch on the sidelines, providing some support from time to time. The people scared of a World War seem to forget that World War II started while the major powers at the time allowed Poland to be conquered before doing anything.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

Except we haven't done nothing. We've provided Ukraine with a ton of aid, which has to this point paralyzed Russia. And I think we should continue to do so for the reasons you point out.

Send troops in actually starts a war between us an Russia. That's not a good thing that will decrease suffering.

[-] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Are we not in a proxy war with Russia already by providing Ukraine with aid?

If Russia truly refuses to back down when the other major superpower of the world getting directly involved, then that says much more about the future of our world.

You're right that we've done a great deal of damage to Russia. We've decimated their birthrate for generations I imagine, but that came at the cost of Ukrainian blood. If we can take preventative measures then we should take them whenever possible, and even if it causes a major war it will possibly prevent more in the future.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

These are Russian talking points under the guise of practical middle path. Fuck you. Slava Ukraine. Don't blame them for fighting back and ignoring the fact foreign boots equal Putin's finger on the button. "Just give them a little farming land, the locals want it"

[-] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Can't tell if you're being ingenuine intentionally or just misunderstanding.

This is far from a middle path. This is the path of aggressively standing between Russia and Ukraine. No where did I ever say that I blame Ukraine for fighting back either. They're doing what is necessary, but the fighting shouldn't have ever been necessary if other countries from around the world were willing to put their troops down and tell Russia no.

As for Putin and the nukes, I really don't get it. It's always going to be this way with Russia. Are you just going to let them take more and more? If Russia invades the rest of Europe are they just not going to fight back because Putin has the capacity to nuke them? At some point there will be a confrontation between Russia and other countries from the world. How much are people going to be willing to give up out of fear that nuclear weapons will be used?

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Understood. I'm never going to do that, unless I'm overtly using sarcasm, so apologies for appearing to be provocative for the sake of it.

I probably misread your previous comment, now that I'm seeing you elaborate. I apologize for the vitriol, ending Russian genocide and terrorism of the free world is emotional for me.

We pretty much agree. That tone is just very apologist IMHO. Like abuse victim language - "look, you're right, wife, it sucks I'm attacking you but if everyone else didn't put me in this situation, I wouldn't be slapping you around" - it's an extreme example for simplicity but I hope it's not such a stretch that my point is lost.

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

How long until either Hamas or Russia decides to go for the snake’s head?

EDIT: why the downvotes? Y’all too young to remember 9/11?

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 months ago

I hope quickly, so the world can finally rest easy when Putin is dead.

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

They be teasing us with the news he had cancer a while back

[-] 00x0xx@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Russia's new strategy is to take it slow. Hence why they just created two new army for defense in Ukraine. They aren't looking to risk trying to finish this quickly.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago

Makes complete sense. If they get Trump soon then all support will be pulled from Ukraine, possibly US Removal from NATO, and if they are super lucky they might even get US intelligence passed on to help them...

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

The hard truth is it doesn't matter how much aid we send, Ukraine is in a losing position. They need more than aid to win and that's the problem

[-] splonglo@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Russia's already lost. They traded their entire military export market for a piece of land.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Their trade with China, Iran and North Korea is through the roof. It may not be as diverse or lucrative as western trade, but it's good enough to keep them in decent shape.

Physical destruction needs to be visited upon Putin. The financial pressure will not be enough.

[-] splonglo@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Since 2023 Russia has dropped from the world's number 2 arms exporter, to 6th place.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

That's good. Sorry to hear they export anything at all at the moment, but a major drop like that is good.

[-] geography082@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

More weapo… aid

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Weaponaid? Is that what Chuck Norris drank instead of Gaatorade? ;)

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