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The Vatican on Monday declared gender-affirming surgery and surrogacy as grave violations of human dignity, putting them on par with abortion and euthanasia as practices that reject God’s plan for human life.

The Vatican’s doctrine office issued “Infinite Dignity,” a 20-page declaration that has been in the works for five years. After substantial revision in recent months, it was approved March 25 by Pope Francis, who ordered its publication.

In its most eagerly anticipated section, the Vatican repeated its rejection of “gender theory,” or the idea that one’s gender can be changed. It said God created man and woman as biologically different, separate beings, and said people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”

“It follows that any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception,” the document said.

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[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago

people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”

How fortunate it is that every single one of is sins and can all be forgiven, so we can just leave worrying about all that up to God, right? Right?

Or some shit. I'm an atheist, but I understand the myth better than most believers. Not that it matters because there is no logic or consistency anywhere in the doctrine, so why assume there is any in this edict?

[-] RatBin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

There is sin and there are sins. One that can be forgiven, others that are not likely to...now switching gender isn't on this list, and since there are animals thar do it on their own, I'd feel good about it. Also cursing the man isn't a hige deal - but don't do it - compared to cursing the Spirit. You want to live life accordingly, these comandements are probably the one christian way. By the way, the book of Exodus has many more rules which you can't follow today, such as the burnt offerings. You'd break the law ny doing that in a normal place now. So do the other books of Moses. Have you carried a stick (read: working) on the seventh day? That's also bad.

Modern society is by no means biblical and cannot afford to do so.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago
[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

Someone TAKE HIM OUT to dinner PLEASE.

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

Sadly, this is about as good as it's likely to get, so you'll need a bigger plan that abolishes the entire church/potpourri.

[-] ImADifferentBird 4 points 7 months ago

Unfortunately, yeah. Up until this bee in his bonnet, Francis was considered to be a progressive Pope.

Just goes to show the system is the problem.

[-] Nofearfrontier@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Diderot said "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest". About time , if you ask me.

[-] BlackNo1@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

can we just blow up the vatican

[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

A heist at the Vatican is my best chance at being able to afford retirement at this point, I'd appreciate if one of the more ethical options to steal from isn't destroyed before I can get to it.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Can I be your tech expert who disables the alarms? Or at least the distraction?

[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

You're in. Now we've just got to make sure we get into the right vault and not one that's just full of the "relics" of body parts from dead saints.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

That doesn't sound fair to Italy. I am sure Italy has enough issues without random debris raining down on her.

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[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

A man who claims he talks to a great sky wizard says the wizard doesn't like it when you do something that incidentally, he also does not like. He says he's very sorry but these are the rules, and the great sky wizard will be very cross with you if you don't follow them.

He says you'll be burned alive for eternity and deserve it if you seek out appropriate care for psychological issues. Wait no that can't be right can it?

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

Yeah, the Vatican threatens my unique dignity. It is so declared.

[-] RatBin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Aight, I've read through the article from The Guardian about it (Vatican calls gender fluidity and surrogacy threats to human dignity) and there are multiple layers of hypocrisy here, which I am not willing to sit through for how many of them are in these statement. It seems to me that the core of the problem is the insistent will to protect at all costs the biological side of thr gender regradless of the true self, which is what we call properly gender.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Guys, guys, i’m starting to think this orthodox Christianity is just a lot of made up nonsense

[-] DaDragon@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

Heh, looks like the old folks are trying to keep their theories illogical!
I have to say I don’t personally think much of current gender reassignment, but it makes absolutely no sense to say that this current trend isn’t in some way aligned with ‘the lord’s plan’, should you believe in that. There are definitely people who feel better as the other sex, you’re trying to tell everyone that an all-knowing being couldn’t account for that?

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 2 points 7 months ago

It's part of the whole "trials and tribulations" and "works in mysterious ways" arguments.

[-] Laurentide@pawb.social 2 points 7 months ago

When a friend of mine moved away to be with his trans girlfriend, my parents said it was a sign of the world's corruption in the End Times. That's how most Christians think, in my experience. Anything they personally agree with is God's will, anything they don't like is Satan's corruption, and anything they don't understand is "mysterious ways".

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[-] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

The social engineering once forced upon the masses to increase slave production is finally coming close to irrelevance

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

It’s astounding to me how on every social issue in the past 2000 years, the church is always like 25-100 years late on taking the right position, and they just never learn.

So look forward to the Catholic Church being ok with gender affirming surgery in 2050.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

They're ignoring the genocide in Palestine, like they did in Germany.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

God is dead, popey boi, keep your culty ideas to yourself

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

something something yin and yang. Be a little based, gotta be a little unbased.

Balances out the universal gravitational whats its doohickeys or something.

[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

So glad they're only blasting it and not slamming it.

[-] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

This is barely news; the headline might as well be 'Hate group hates'. But jeez, I giggled at the start of the fourth paragraph with, "In its most eagerly anticipated section…" Even among Christians, even among very-very-Christians, is there anyone who "eagerly anticipates" the Vatican's declarations of doctrine?

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