Raising a child costs between $13k[2] and $35k[1] per year in the USA – depending on where you live and who you ask.
With a minimum wage job ($7.25/hr) you need to work about 5 to 13 hours per day to make that much – before taxes.
[1] https://smartasset.com/financial-advisor/cost-raise-child-2023
[2] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/090415/cost-raising-child-america.asp
More proof it’s more punishment than concern for the baby. To them, sex is a sin unless for procreation and your punishment for having sex for fun or while poor (or sexually assaulted) is that you have to bear the burden because you sinned. They can’t handle their own sexual shit because it’s not allowed to be talked about, so they make us all deal with it. She doesn’t want to have her 3rd baby, but she’s a good Christian woman who can’t say no to her husband, so she has to have it, and she wants other women to have to have it too. The fawning over babies and speaking to the “sacredness of life” is the facade they wear because it sounds more “Christian”.
Oh that and, male power over women’s bodies. Because, you never know, that mystery pregnancy you got after the club might just be Jesus! Zeus came as coins ffs, so God may appear to the new Mary as rohypnol. Who knows?
This isn't proof, it's a strawman argument.
It's fascinating that this isn't something that is always thrown back in the so called "pro life" person's face. They're only pro birth. They don't care if the baby that comes out is fed, clothed, housed, eventually educated, etc. Or at least, they don't believe there's any collective responsibility to take care of that baby.
It is. They don't care because they're arguing in bad faith to begin with. They don't care about children. They never did. This was about identity politics and concern trolling.
They proved this by immediately jumping to "trans panic" the instant roe was overruled by the illegitimate scotus who apparently forgot the 9th and 14th amendments even existed but they sure remembered "tradition & history"
That's a strawman. We do.
You do. But not the politicians who actually get it into law. Also who has decided you are the spokesperson of the pro life movement?
Conservatives want live babies to grow up to be dead soldiers. George Carlin
*per year
Thanks for pointing it out. I corrected the post.
Yes and we should. We should also make childcare free.
It can't be free.
What you're actually saying is that "childcare should be communally funded by taxes".
I'm not on board with that unless it comes with limits on reproduction, especially for those who pay zero taxes.
Stop creating more human lives when you can't even independently support your own.
First of all you'll be really happy with all those babies when you turn 80 and society hasn't fallen because the average age is 70.
Second, when childcare is free more people can join the workforce, this increases taxes and productivity.
But maybe the most important it will make society more equal. When you're poor working almost doesn't make sense if you have to spend 80% of your salary on childcare. So more people don't work, these people are usually women. That really doesn't help with an equal society, because a big group can't really work so they can't really climb any ladders.
We should prioritise supporting the creation of more human lives
something something Bootstraps something something worked my way to the top
A lot of the issues here can be side-stepped with proper sexual education classes.
Literally.
If they were the men who would get pregnant, there would be free abortion services in any hardware store.
Make it an abortion kit
I'm not advocating insane gop'ers, it's up to the woman, but they'd say it's about not killing a kid. They'd go up for adoption which is very successful in the US. They are insane assholes but this is a pretty weak argument IMO.
Use condoms, it'll always be cheaper than an abortion.
Vasectomies are cheaper than condoms in the long run, unless you're a monk.
Mine cost me $20 in copay, not bad at all!
"No, god won't stop abortions from happening, but he makes sure that all wealthy people are good and all poor people are bad and deserve it."
You know, as much as I do like this website, I do find it kind of tiring how the top posts tend to just be like. Like this is an NPC meme, you know? This is a chad vs virgin type of meme. This is about a step away from choosing to portray your opposition as a soy wojack. Sometimes I find that kind of funny because of how absurdly idiotic and brainbroken it reveals the creator of the meme to have been, but I dunno, something about the mainstream adoption of this kind of thing is just kind of incredibly depressing. It's like I am seeing the mainstream consciousness break apart in real time.
Can we go back to advice animals and rage comics, guys?
With a minimum wage job ($7.25/hr) you need to work about 5 to 13 hours per day to make that much – before taxes.
This is the main point of this post. The meme is just a means to gain attention. I believe people are more likely to consume meme posts than plaintext.
Memes have become a sort of coping mechanism/method of communication, and it just reflects the the broader state of the world around them.
Places like Lemmy have becomes bastions for people to share their thoughts and opinions, because the overwhelming consensus is the acknowledgment of being helpless and this is a way to vent and share (what should be) obvious solutions to the problems we're facing.
Sure, we go out and vote and talk to friends and family about the things we can do to make change, but we're not in the class of people to make that change happen.
So I say fuck it, post away the neo-nilhism memes, I'll upvote em and laugh away the enormous issues the world has.
So you say … poor people should get an abortion?
"Should" is not the operative word.
"Have the choice to" get an abortion is the operative phrase.
Yes, that’s obvious. People should always have a choice. The choice should just not be based on their income alone.
The choice is not yours so you can't say what it should or shouldn't be based on.
That’s not what I meant. Income should just be irrelevant when making the choice.
Income can't be irrelevant, you do need to provide for that child. Only if poor people didn't have a problem to do so would it be irrelevant.
If a woman abort because she really doesn't want the financial trouble, it's not wrong. Furthermore, having the right to choose means she could even have bad reasons without it being wrong.
Now if you ask me, the meme isn't really about the choice itself. Poor people often choose to have a kid regardless, most women are wise enough to know it's worth it. I think the real problem is how harder it is for them to take that choice.
Yes, free health-care. Positive freedom in general is needed if you like choice.
OP didn't say that at all... They only pointed out how expensive raising a child is and that people will make the decision that is in their best interests.
You don’t need to explicitly write something down to say something.
What we SHOULDN'T do is take away their right to one if they so choose.
Or how about poor people should be given a living wage?
Nice strawman, try again
Many would be surprised to learn that "god" or "nature" have aborted more pregnancies than there are humans alive.
Its not too late to offer him a razor to shave off his eyebrows.
Usually when pro-lifers try to fight for this, that gets censured heavily.